The supplements thread.

[Capital G]

Post up what you have tried. What works, what does not, etc...

I'll start..... NO2 pills are garbage! Protein and Vodka rules!

[Vito_Corleone]

NO2 isn't garbage...

Protein is obviously a must, for ANY type of working out. Mono-Creatine is excellent, as is Creatine Ethyl Ester, NO2 is good shit also.

I'll get into this later, as well as making a couple FAQ's.

[TampaTraps]

my all time favorite whey protein is on(Optimum Nutrition) Chocalate Mint it comes with 23grams of protein per serving and three grams of Glutamine.

next on the must have list is just a simple daily mutli vitamin and will do. i take 2 per day.

next is just plain olf faishon creatine, any in a powder form will do for the first week take 4-5servings per day 5-10grams a serving to load then go to 2 a day at 10grams to mantain.

i have taken eas zma, zma is a zinc plus magnesium and vitamin B-6 supplement, i alsways took it before bed and if helps you body increase hormone levels, i will admit i had some weird ass dremas on this shit and so did a few freidns of mine.

for anyone looking for the best weight loss product i made my own all you need is some caffine pills, some asprin and some priatine tabs(has epehrine in it and is not banned ohh nice) you stack 20mg of epherine and 200mg of caffine and one regular strength asprin, those are what was found in hydroicycut, and xenadrine, so it works.


thats all i have ever taken i beive in k.i.s.s(kepping it super simple)

[TampaTraps]

if you need any help on those faqs i am the man to talk to vito.

[MagnumNHRA]

Muscle Milk Chocolate. Taste great. I have one after my workouts,

[Katrina]

k...I told you, Ital, that NO2 doesn't work...eating right and eating enough protein/carbs/fat works along with a great workout...Just a basic energy stacker is all you need to get an even better work out..

[Country Boy]

Right now Im taking ON's Pro Complex Protein.. Its a mix of Whey protein isolate, whey protein concetrate, egg albumen, glutimine and G peptides and whey peptides. It has 55 Gs of protein per serving (not all whey). Some being fast absorbing and some of the more slower digesting protein. It also has an awesome amino acid profile (over 13Gs of BCAAs). It also has digetive enzymes. Best stuff Ive found yet. It gets a little expensive though.

Vitamins, I take animal Pak. One of the best things out. IMHO, a one a day is for joe blow and a waste of time for any weightlifter. AP has all kinds of good stuff and even contains some EFAs.

Creating, I use CEE (creatine Ethyl Ester) and found it works alright. Didnt notice much different between CEE and Creatine Mono really except skin feels tighter.

NO2 is FAR from garbage. Ive used 3 different brands. Higher power, BSN Nitix and now Im using the MRI NO2 and so far the MRI is the best of them. Also you take less pills/ day than the rest.

I also take Superpump 250 as a preworkout drink since I hit the gym @ 7 AM. I switched from NO-Xplode and its a world of difference. Huge pumps and once I get pumped, I feel like an animal in the gym. Awesome stuff.

[Country Boy]

k...I told you, Ital, that NO2 doesn't work...eating right and eating enough protein/carbs/fat works along with a great workout...Just a basic energy stacker is all you need to get an even better work out..


Maybe it didnt work for you, but that doesnt mean it doesnt work. Ive had great sucess with NO2.

[Rdline1]

i pretty much just eat a healthy diet and drink the standard whey proteins. I have the muscle milk and some weight gainers too, but i usually only drink those on occasion.

[DookieLuv!]

Right now I take nothing, and I'm willing to bet I'm in better shape than most of you guys. :lol:

[BoosTb4BroaDs]

N02 has a great placebo effect ;-)

[Vito_Corleone]

It's KNOWN to work, you people don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[Country Boy]

Right now I take nothing, and I'm willing to bet I'm in better shape than most of you guys. :lol:


Wanna hop on an elipitical and see? Ill take your bet. ;)

[Katrina]

Maybe it didnt work for you, but that doesnt mean it doesnt work. Ive had great sucess with NO2.

It's okay buddy, I'm just giving bostich a hard time...

[Vito_Corleone]

Wanna hop on an elipitical and see? Ill take your bet. ;)

How long do you go on the elliptical, and what RPM's do you stay around?

[I'm Phucked]

nitrotech and cell tech own me.

[Rdline1]

How long do you go on the elliptical, and what RPM's do you stay around?

50 minutes, and i stagger one minute at 100 rpms, one at 70-75 the whole time :-)

[Vito_Corleone]

50 minutes is soooo long, hahaha. I'm just starting out on the cardio now, i'm doing about 15 minutes with 30 seconds at 100-110 every 3 minutes. It's my own variation of HIIT, i just can't hack HIIT for 15 minutes yet.

[Rdline1]

well i play ice hockey and have for like the past 6 years, and i played like 4 or 5 years of roller hockey before that, so endurance has never been a problem for me, it's the weightlifting that i have to keep pushing for.

[BoosTb4BroaDs]

It's KNOWN to work, you people don't know what the fuck you're talking about.


Oh yea? Arent you some soft body 17 year old fetus? If im wrong i apologize but im pretty positive your the guy i saw. Please post a pic of your physique as im sure its impressive chief

[Vito_Corleone]

Oh yea? Arent you some soft body 17 year old fetus? If im wrong i apologize but im pretty positive your the guy i saw. Please post a pic of your physique as im sure its impressive chief

Click my profile, you will see pictures of me. And what i look like has NOTHING to do with the fact that NO2 products DO work. You can argue that all you want, but many, many people use them and have great results.

[Rdline1]

the only thing that can get you big fast is 'roids. period. you need to get in a routine and a healthy diet and STICK to it, and you will gain.

[Vito_Corleone]

the only thing that can get you big fast is 'roids. period. you need to get in a routine and a healthy diet and STICK to it, and you will gain.

Diet is 80% of it, but supplements are not useless. THAT is the truth.

[Jake]

When i took N02, i liked it. It gave me that extra pump i needed for those hard-to-get last reps. And of course, i made protein shakes, took multivitamins, and creatine-mono.
The protein and creatine were bally's brand, only cause i got a pretty good discount on them.

[TampaTraps]

i ahve yet to use no2 but i think it will work better than creatine, the science is thier to back it up, so i do't know why ppl doubt it, look at your diet first cause i bets thats to blame.

[BoosTb4BroaDs]

I suppose brother man, im too lazy to go back and fourth so all i'll say is for whatever SMALL gains it gives you which COULD be from a placebo effect. its not worth the price. But whatever floats your boat

[Rdline1]

i used creatine for basically one cycle, like 2-3 months or so. the first day i was bouncing off the walls with energy, but i would say after about the first 2 or 3 weeks it didnt have much of an effect.

[TampaTraps]

i used creatine for basically one cycle, like 2-3 months or so. the first day i was bouncing off the walls with energy, but i would say after about the first 2 or 3 weeks it didnt have much of an effect.

yes because you body makes creatine nautrally, and you eat it in some foods, it meant to saturate you muscles with it for a short time 3 weeks 4 max then get off it for a month then get back on it.

[Vito_Corleone]

yes because you body makes creatine nautrally, and you eat it in some foods, it meant to saturate you muscles with it for a short time 3 weeks 4 max then get off it for a month then get back on it.

I've never seen anything about cycling Creatine.

[Rdline1]

I've never seen anything about cycling Creatine.

theres all sorts of talk about how long and stuff because it basically just fills your body up with added water, and since your body naturally makes it, you arent supposed to be on it for an extended period of time because at some point your body may stop producing it.....

[TampaTraps]

I've never seen anything about cycling Creatine.


http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/creatine/loading-creatine-use.htm that's one article

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=creatine+cycling and more here lol

and know you body will never stop making creaitne. supplementing with creatine doesn't shut down you body productoin, it may get use to the level tho, if you take steroid they will shut down your nautral test prudction but that a whole another thread in it self.

[Rdline1]

see there ya go. lots of myths.....

[Vito_Corleone]

That's just talking about tolerance. It makes sense, i think i'm a non-responder to that shit anyway, i don't know all that much about it.

[TampaTraps]

That's just talking about tolerance. It makes sense, i think i'm a non-responder to that shit anyway, i don't know all that much about it.


well about 80% of ppl do respond to just creatine so you might be one of those 20%ers lol, and thats what no2 is for creatine non-responders, that why you get great gain on it and some pll get ok results because they already got the ressults from creatine so the no2 is just a little bump up.

[Vito_Corleone]

I was taking it when i lifted before, took it for about 3 months, i didn't notice much on or off of it...

'Course, my eating was completely fucked then too, so i'm sure that had a lot to do with it. When i go back on a bulk, i'll give it another go.

[Raider926]

No2 and Creatine are 2 totally separate things, Creatine saturating your body will "Bloat you with water" but thats not its purpose (and depending on the creatine it might not even bloat you), it is taken to convert ADP "adenosine-diphosphate" to ATP "adenosine triphosphate" ATP is the "fuel" that gives you a short extreme burst of power. Thats basically it once the atp is used it turns to adp. the more saturated you are the stronger you'll be.

No2 is Nitric Oxide it swells your arteries and oxidizes your blood, allowing more blood and oxygen into your muscles. It gives you a pump better recovery and allows other nutrients like supps into your muscles easier.

[Jeff]

Raider > you.


He also beat me in arm wrestling. :(

[TampaTraps]

Raider > you.


He also beat me in arm wrestling. :(


yeah he seems to own, he raider if you ever in the largo area hit me up we need to work out i perfer back days but any will do. cronic from what i hear you can do alot of push-ups lol

[topper]

Took creatine, along with amino acid pills, it worked wonders, i got scronggg, but im still chubby. I need something to trim this fatt mess off of me, imma run with sweatpants on and trashbags under them.

[Raider926]

Took creatine, along with amino acid pills, it worked wonders, i got scronggg, but im still chubby. I need something to trim this fatt mess off of me, imma run with sweatpants on and trashbags under them.

Thats a temp fix for a long term problem. A better way to drop your water weight, is to drink alot more water. Try drinking about 1 liter every 3 hours that will come close to 2 gallons a day. In about a week you'll lose some weight. Because thats the samething you are going to do when you run with trashbags. As soon as you start eatting simpler carbs, and drinking water everything will come right back.

Read the thread about Getting a sixpack, there are alot of things you can do diet and cardio wise to drop the bloat and fat to be ripped as hell.

Trust me I did the samething, I lost abunch of weight, I did it for the military and after I met my weight I drank some water and ate a small sammich and gained about 7lbs, I wanted to put my head under someones tire and just end it.

[Country Boy]

How long do you go on the elliptical, and what RPM's do you stay around?


When I was on my cardio cycle, I wouldnt drop below 80 for about 1:15. I would vary. Sometimes I would step up to 100+ for 5 minutes so it wouldnt get boring. Ive always been in awesome cardio shape. When I would donate blood, I would fill the bag in 1/3 the time it took an average person. I would have to tell the nurses to watch it.

[Country Boy]

No2 and Creatine are 2 totally separate things, Creatine saturating your body will "Bloat you with water" but thats not its purpose (and depending on the creatine it might not even bloat you), it is taken to convert ADP "adenosine-diphosphate" to ATP "adenosine triphosphate" ATP is the "fuel" that gives you a short extreme burst of power. Thats basically it once the atp is used it turns to adp. the more saturated you are the stronger you'll be.

No2 is Nitric Oxide it swells your arteries and oxidizes your blood, allowing more blood and oxygen into your muscles. It gives you a pump better recovery and allows other nutrients like supps into your muscles easier.


Good explination :)

[Capital G]

The only supplement I use now is protein. I was on NO2 (which I still say is garbage) and creatine (which is great).
But I am tired of spending all that cash on creatine which has no longterm positive effect on your body (meaning, when you stop using it, there is no extended positive from it), on the other hand protien is something that your body needs anyway.

I love HDT whey, its high on BCAAs, and is sweetened w/ splenda. I also like it b/c it tastes good w/ just water (milk is not my friend in high intakes).

Its only 24-27 $ at Vitamin shoppe for 6 lbs!

[LSS1]

any more supplements ?

[Raider926]

Anyone cycle prohormones? Like m1t?

[Country Boy]

Anyone cycle prohormones? Like m1t?

Ive looked at those, but as with steroids, it way too much crap to do. You have to worry about your natural test production, gyno (getting female nipples/ tits), hair loss, etc...

Not worth it unless youve maxed out your genetic possibility.

[Capital G]

Prohormones are worthlesss unless you are over 35-40(ish) b/c you are already producing enough and a precourser will not effect the levels drastically.

[Vito_Corleone]

Prohormones are worthlesss unless you are over 35-40(ish)

Ok... first, you bash N02, and now pro-hormones are bullshit too. Where are you getting this information? Instead of saying you have no clue what you're talking about, i'll ask that you please post some information backing up your claims.

[Chris]

I used anabolics for one cycle a few years ago (Muscletech Anotesten, Nortesten, and acetobolin) - nothing but positive gains for me - no side effects except for gaining size and strength :) ........... Probably going to be trying something new in the next month or so - I'll post up if it works.

[Raider926]

Ok... first, you bash N02, and now pro-hormones are bullshit too. Where are you getting this information? Instead of saying you have no clue what you're talking about, i'll ask that you please post some information backing up your claims.

You can get on just about any site and come up with a diarrhea study that says just about anything you want it to.

Bostitch - Prohormones used correctly can produce serious results, granted like someone else already said you will be messing with your natural test levels and will have to worry about side effects. Cycling estro blockers can minimize it but some people are willing to take those risks. Some people have those problems from puberty like gyno and don't give a shit so they'll use and see gains. Some are worried it will make it worse. When a male (females are different in this aspect) turns about 20 his natural test levels BEGIN to drop, making ph's best taken around 24 and up, depending on lifting and diet experience.

[Bumpin Expo]

I take

Multi Vitamin- Animal Pak
Creatine- BSN Cell Mass
NO2- BSN Nitrix
Pre Workout- Superpump 250
Protein- Syntrax Nectar Fuzzy Navel
Misc- Fish Oil

I take nitrix 3 times a day before each meal, animal pak in the morning. Creatine when I wake up and post work out...same with protein

Country- I have been selling nitrix for a while and it seems the big boom is MRI NO2, everybody is buying this stuff. I just got a stock of it in but have yet to try it for myself. So far, what I am doing right now works awsome for me so I hate to change something that works. How much better is MRI over Nitrix? I might change over after my bottle is out

[Country Boy]

I like the MRI alot better. Only thing that sucks is that its more expensive. I didnt see much from Nitrix and I went through about 3 bottles of it. With MRI, my skin feels tighter around the muscles and I actually feel the pump most of the day.

Another good thing with the MRI is you take less pills per day. I was taking 12 Nitrix (over 200lbs) and with MRI, its only 10. Its only 2 pills difference, but with 180 pills, it lasts longer.

I see you take Superpump also. I just quit with some left. I like it, but not the sides. In order for it to work for me, I had to take 3 scoops on an empty stomach... worked AWESOME, but it gave me the most explosive runs Ive ever had :( That shit (no pun :D ) is LOUD in a gym bathroom..LOL I tried to cut down to one scoop and eating before hand and still the same problem. :( I had to go back to NO-Xplode.

Chris, why you headed the steroid route? Are you maxed out naturally? Ive even looked at them and did a lot of reading on them but its too much hassle for me, not to mention expensive.

[Just Dave]

I like the MRI alot better. Only thing that sucks is that its more expensive. I didnt see much from Nitrix and I went through about 3 bottles of it. With MRI, my skin feels tighter around the muscles and I actually feel the pump most of the day.


That's how I was with creatine back when I was working out. I loved the stuff. I'd feel like Arnold at the end of a session, my muscles felt like they were going to rip through my skin. At the time I made alot of money so it was well worth it even if it was just psychological. Now I probably won't get into it because as was mentioned, it doesn't do much long term, although some studies say it helps muscle growth.

[Bumpin Expo]

I like the MRI alot better. Only thing that sucks is that its more expensive. I didnt see much from Nitrix and I went through about 3 bottles of it. With MRI, my skin feels tighter around the muscles and I actually feel the pump most of the day.

Another good thing with the MRI is you take less pills per day. I was taking 12 Nitrix (over 200lbs) and with MRI, its only 10. Its only 2 pills difference, but with 180 pills, it lasts longer.

I see you take Superpump also. I just quit with some left. I like it, but not the sides. In order for it to work for me, I had to take 3 scoops on an empty stomach... worked AWESOME, but it gave me the most explosive runs Ive ever had :( That shit (no pun :D ) is LOUD in a gym bathroom..LOL I tried to cut down to one scoop and eating before hand and still the same problem. :( I had to go back to NO-Xplode.

Chris, why you headed the steroid route? Are you maxed out naturally? Ive even looked at them and did a lot of reading on them but its too much hassle for me, not to mention expensive.

Yeah MRI is a lot more expensive but a lot of people love it. I love nitrix, I feel a lot bigger on it. Before, I was just using creatine and protein...now with nitrix added I get nice pumps. The only downside is I am thirstier than a camel in the desert...I drink 1-2 gallons of water a day. I dont know what I am going to do when college starts back up....I piss 1-2 times an hour at work.

I hear you about the super pump....the guys on bb.com call it "Super Dump" I love it, I dont care if it does make me shit. Its A LOT better than NO Xplode and Ready4War IMO. I take 2 scoops...anymore than that makes me feel sick from all the stimulants. I have my own gym at my house so I dont care how loud my shits are lOL

You said you were taking 12 nitrix... was that a day? Your only supposed to take 9, 3 b4 breakfast, 3 b4 lunch, 3 b4 dinner. I only take two each time because Superpump contains NO2 also. I might sell my bottle of unused Nitrix and give a bottle of MRI a try. How much do you pay for a bottle of MRI if you dont mind me asking? You know they most recently came out with a product called CE2 which is some super creatine in a pill form. Its pretty popular because NO2 was such a big hit...Wonder if it really works. I know creatine in the past never had luck working in a pill form

[Dunecune442]

Im doing fine with just my diet, multi vitamins, and protein powder. Its not like any of you guys have hit a plateau and need a shitload of supplements to take you over the "edge". I personally dont believe supplements are worth anything... thats just me however.

[Capital G]

Ok... first, you bash N02, and now pro-hormones are bullshit too. Where are you getting this information? Instead of saying you have no clue what you're talking about, i'll ask that you please post some information backing up your claims.


Calm down champ... I simply stated my opinion, I've used both andro and NO2 and saw no effect.

If you saw some using them, good for you, however you will not see me bash your opinion like you have mine throughout this thread.

[Bumpin Expo]

Im doing fine with just my diet, multi vitamins, and protein powder. Its not like any of you guys have hit a plateau and need a shitload of supplements to take you over the "edge". I personally dont believe supplements are worth anything... thats just me however.

Your lucky. However my genetics reallly dont support this (building muscle mass, genetics stuck me with a skinny body) I used to work out a lot without any help and got no where. Now with the help of supplements and a much better diet I see a lot of results

You are just like my brother, all he takes is protein powder and get grows like crazy.

[Country Boy]

On the bottle of Nitrix is has 2 sets of directions. One for under 200 lbs and one for over 200 lbs. Over 200lbs you take 4 pills, 3 times a day.

I pay $60/ bottle for the MRI. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/no2/no2.html Ive seen it for a few bucks cheaper, but I like ordering from BB.com because if I order first thing in the morning, Ill have it the next day via UPS ground since they ship from Tally.

Ive heard of the new creatine from MRI. Sounds like a good product and the guy heading it up know his stuff. Hes the same guy (that runs MRI) that discovered creatine mono.

[Chris]

Chris, why you headed the steroid route? Are you maxed out naturally? Ive even looked at them and did a lot of reading on them but its too much hassle for me, not to mention expensive.

Carl - last time I took the anabolics it worked great for me, with no effects at all. May not be the same for everyone, but it worked great for me. I still bust my ass in the gym every week, and I am only noticing minor gains in weight even though I am eating like no tomorrow, etc. (Thanks, but to the nay-sayers you guys can keep your opinions/criticisms to yourselves)

It took me from being moderately in shape - to almost my exact target. I am not expecting the same results this time, but I would like to add some size in the next 30 days and then trim to where I want to be...

Old pic from last time..... And where I plan to be in a few months ;)

[Country Boy]

not bad man. Let me know how it works out for ya. ;)

[Bumpin Expo]

On the bottle of Nitrix is has 2 sets of directions. One for under 200 lbs and one for over 200 lbs. Over 200lbs you take 4 pills, 3 times a day.

I pay $60/ bottle for the MRI. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/no2/no2.html Ive seen it for a few bucks cheaper, but I like ordering from BB.com because if I order first thing in the morning, Ill have it the next day via UPS ground since they ship from Tally.

Ive heard of the new creatine from MRI. Sounds like a good product and the guy heading it up know his stuff. Hes the same guy (that runs MRI) that discovered creatine mono.

damn thats expensive. I get it for $35/bottle but of course I have to buy bulk

I hope CE2 works, Id lve to take my creatine in a pill rather than drink

[Jakethesnake]

I am using muscle milk powder now (cookies and cream)..good stuff, mixes well and seems better than most whey out there, I just started the Nutrex brand Lipo-6 about 1.5 weeks ago so ill report back on that later...I drink lots of water and add ProLabs creatine powder to my protein shakes....I eat 1 met rx 100 bar a day...seems to be working well for me so far....I do a lot of cardio, etc and its hard for me to gain but in the last month and a half with adding muscle milk and eating a little more protein I ahve jumped up about 7 lbs which is a ton for me

[japanbran]

i just started using opti-mass pills.. and complete performance powder.for work out days the pills are 5 pre workout and 5 post.. 5 in the morning 5 at night.. non workout days.. you cant buy this stuff over the counter.. you have to get it from a doctor because it is made for professional athletes.. i have used it for about a month or 2. i have noticed good gains from it. i would buy it again.. i gained 10 lbs in a month..

[bottlefed]

I have a question about cycling creatine. I have been taking Cell Mass for about 8-10 weeks. I've gone through about 2.5 containers. I only take 1 serving per day, post workout.

Does the whole "cycling" thing apply to CEE or just mono? Should I lay off of it for awhile or just keep going with my post workout serving?

[Country Boy]

NO, you dont cycle Cellmass.

[Shizzle]

Right now im on ALRI Max LMG and black star labs 4AD androstenediol. And over drive dual Isolate whey protein which has 50 grams of protien per-serving. Also i was on Masterdrol v2 for awhile. I have a contest in 3 1/2 months.

What are you doing for PCT?

[Shizzle]

I have a question about cycling creatine. I have been taking Cell Mass for about 8-10 weeks. I've gone through about 2.5 containers. I only take 1 serving per day, post workout.

Does the whole "cycling" thing apply to CEE or just mono? Should I lay off of it for awhile or just keep going with my post workout serving?

You'd probably be better off going with Omega CEE preworkout and then a cheaper CEE like Higher Power post workout.

If you're responding to CellMass, then you should love CEE.

Just make sure you break the capsules and mix them in gatorade or something for your preworkout dosage.

[Shizzle]

Took creatine, along with amino acid pills, it worked wonders, i got scronggg, but im still chubby. I need something to trim this fatt mess off of me, imma run with sweatpants on and trashbags under them.

What's your diet?

Running with sweatpants and trashbags will help you drop water weight..that's about it.

You should try stacking Avant Labs Sesathin and Designer Supplements Melting Point...you have to have your diet right tho..and also be prepared to lose 3-6 weeks of muscle.

However, you'll be fit and trim if you eat clean and keep a steady routine/

[bottlefed]

You'd probably be better off going with Omega CEE preworkout and then a cheaper CEE like Higher Power post workout.

If you're responding to CellMass, then you should love CEE.

Just make sure you break the capsules and mix them in gatorade or something for your preworkout dosage.

I might give that a try. I know there are cheaper alternatives. Cellmass has seemed to work for me, and because I only take the one serving per day, a container lasts awhile.

Thanks Country Boy, I kind of figured that but I wanted to make sure.

[MagnumNHRA]

I'm now drinking chocolate muscle milk with a couple table spoons of peanutbutter.

[Shizzle]

Right now I'm checking the mailbox waiting on my ActivaTe, Melting Point, and ReboundXT to come in...

I take dymatize WPI and VPX Powerfood for Caseinate Protein..

For preworkout, I go with Get Diesel NOS Ether and Omega CEE..

Immediately after working out I do another serving of NOS Ether and 1/2 serving of CEE (until I get some bulk powdered CEE)

About 30 mins after that, I drink some WPI and then I eat dinner after that.

I down some VPX before I go to bed.