"bulking"

[Just Dave]

I saw Donnie say he was in a bulking phase. I can pretty well assume it means to eat a ton of calories in an effort to gain muscle mass, but what else is there to it? What are the benefits of it? I'm not thinking of doing it because my main goal is to lose body fat (currently 6-2 about 300) but I'm just curious about this.

[Strongest Man In The World]

simply put, "too gain the most mass in the least amount of time." These guys sit here and preach all day about "clean bulks" but youll never put on the mass you want with eating nothing but clean foods. Bulking is gross dirty and undesireable. You have to eat more than you want and lift harder than normal, but after your done with that phase and you get onto the cutting phase (where you cut off the extra fat you put on durring phase 1) thats when its all worth it.

[Just Dave]

Do the pro's do it or is this something for the recreational crowd.

I'm not asking because I think its right or wrong, again, just curious.

[Vito_Corleone]

Pros bulk during off times and cut for contest preperation.

I'm a supporter of clean bulking, it does give results, not AS MUCH mass, but more LEAN mass, which is what everyone is working for.

[Billy]

http://www.tampaforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248172

The guy who's links I posted in there goes into some detail on what happens when you bulk.

[Dunecune442]

Yes the pros do it. However the "pros" weightlift 2-4 hours daily, have access to clean bulking products (sorry donnie, your wrong this time Ive done a clean bulk and it works).

The diff between a clean bulk as opposed to a dirty?

Clean - pricey, takes alittle longer. However your heart takes less of a beating, your cholesterol level stays around the same and your bodily functions dont vary much.

Dirty bulk - ever seen that movie "supersize me"? Yea, well thats what happens. High sodium levels meen most of the weight is just water (youll piss most of it out) and its very hard on your cardio system. Your cholesterol SKYROCKETS, blood pressure again will increase due to high sodium and extreme levels of processed foods (i.e bad fats). Very inexpensive however. Instead of a semi lean piece of steak and some mashed potatos you can have 2-3 big mac.

Ive personally done a clean bulk for football. I could still run and everything, I just gained fat in the RIGHT places (chest, arms, legs, lats...). I just burned it off by replacing it with muscle. With a dirty bulk you get alot of fat around the torso... not good and not easy to burn. Ive tried the clean bulk and would recommend it. Ive had friends do a dirty bulk and a year later they still cant get it off. Trust me, its very hard to get rid of fat accumulated through processed foods and cheap shit like McD's.

Would I recommend it? Sure, 15-20lbs extra on your body weight should be your goal. Anything more and you have to have good genetics or a dedicated schedule.

[Country Boy]

Im with Dunecune. I cant stand a dirty bulk. To me, its pointless. Its pretty much defeating the purpose of being healthy.

[TampaTraps]

see i think you guys are getting to extreme ethier way. when i bulk, i allow myself junk food if ned be, not at ebry meal, but if i want a bowl of fruity pebbles or a double chesse burger i will eat it, and then the rest of the day i eat clean just chicken and rice. but i and dirtier ina sense where i et mac and chesse(whole box 1000cals) and tunna for my post work meal.

[Strongest Man In The World]

very good points from all of you.

Im not going to link a site for you proving my processes right now, so im kinda left without a leg to stand on. What I will do is show you the before, durring and after photos of this 6 month long process and let them speak for itself.

BTW i lost 80 lbs of 21 years of eating like shit in less than 24 months, while building a large amount of mass. Do you really think i could give a damn about an extra 10-15 lbs of fat? :)

[Vito_Corleone]

Tuna is clean. But why mac and cheese? Seems like mostly empty calories...

And when you say double cheeseburgers from mcdonalds, that IS pretty extreme. I'm not saying to eat like a monk, but i'm definitely not saying to eat fast food, and i'm trying to say that staying away from empty calories is a good thing...

[Vito_Corleone]

very good points from all of you.

Im not going to link a site for you proving my processes right now, so im kinda left without a leg to stand on. What I will do is show you the before, durring and after photos of this 6 month long process and let them speak for itself.

BTW i lost 80 lbs of 21 years of eating like shit in less than 24 months, while building a large amount of mass. Do you really think i could give a damn about an extra 10-15 lbs of fat? :)

Well, i understand where you're coming from, an extra few pounds to you means nothing, see, to me, i'd rather try to keep off as much fat as possible, so i'll take the longer road and go cleanER (i have a hard enough time eating clean period) when i bulk. If it takes longer to get where i want, so be it, but i'll look better through the process, and i'll be able to cut for less time.

[TampaTraps]

macorroni is just the same as spagehtti just in a diffrent shape, and i add the powder chesse and milk, so i don't really see the empty calories(minus powder chesse), and that the only way i am gonna get in the 4k cals i eat everyday.

[Vito_Corleone]

macorroni is just the same as spagehtti just in a diffrent shape, and i add the powder chesse and milk, so i don't really see the empty calories(minus powder chesse), and that the only way i am gonna get in the 4k cals i eat everyday.

Well i mean short of the pasta itself (and the TINY bit of milk), they're empty calories, not to mention, it's almost ALL carbs, see, i'd rather get in more protien for that meal.

[Strongest Man In The World]

Thats the thing colby, a mcdonalds double cheesebuger has 25 G's of protien and 455 calories... yeah a shit load of fat too, but the fat can be burned off, the protien is what you need, and when your on the go and need something cheap, you cant beat it. Im not saying make it a habbit, but its just suplimenting your normal diet.

[Dunecune442]

I lost 15 pounds eating italian food at my old job... most of it was from not drinking coke.

However I lost ALOT of FAT (not just water) by eating right.

When I did a clean bulk no one could tell I got heavier, my arms, chest and back looked alittle fuller but thats it...

[TampaTraps]

Well i mean short of the pasta itself (and the TINY bit of milk), they're empty calories, not to mention, it's almost ALL carbs, see, i'd rather get in more protien for that meal.


how much more protein do you need tunna 35 and i throw in 8oz milk for a total of 42grams plenty i get 7 meals a day(three shakes 4 whole at 40 a paiece that 280 but the shake are 46 so i get saround 300grams plenty) and that whole i will bulk clean but look better in the process makes no sense. untill you have tried a fast bulking way you won't understand. i have a freind just liek you(donnie you know) he has tried everything under the sun, every diet, every workout plan, every supplement but guess what after two years his arms are still only 15", i just worked out hard and ate harder, and after 8 months i had 16.25" arms. so i only see the benefit.

[Vito_Corleone]

Here's my problem...

http://www.tampaforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=118&stc=1

All those calories, and all that fat for 25 grams of protien! It's just so excessive, but yea, i agree, if that's all you can get, whatever, it IS protien.

[Raider926]

I think if donnie where to eat correctly, sorry for using you as an example, he would grow ALOT faster than he is now, and not add much bodyfat. Being on juice he might even lose a little fat. but its not all about food, even though that plays a major role in gains.

Cardio is another, I bet if you were to start doing low intensity cardio 2-3 times a week, your appitite would skyrocket, you would take in more cals than burn and recover even faster than before, you can put yourself on a different split to stimulate growth more times a week. and speed your metabolism to process a SHITLOAD more cals. and with the different split you can have a better rest routine So you will always be lifting at your PEAK.

I was bored so I figured I'd type all this out. :D Anyway, if anyone wants to talk about whatever I'm on aim "raider926"

[Strongest Man In The World]

Who said i was on "juice"?

Good oppinions btw, you sound like you know what your talking about.

[Dunecune442]

simply ordering w/o cheese and katsup will cut the sodium count in half and knock off 110 calories.

But yea, a clean bulk takes alittle longer but the results are much better. But then again Donnies seems to want LOTS of muscle mass regardless of definition. In that case a dirty bulk would be more suitable. Clean bulks emphasize being large, but not too big with great definition.

[Strongest Man In The World]

Youve got it pretty much correct, DC. I dont care how fat I am right now, im going for mass and if fat is included, so be it. Ill show you all my diet when I cut in about a month. I can promise you if wont have anything from mcdonalds in it :)

fat is easy to loose, Muscle is hard to gain

[Raider926]

Who said i was on "juice"?

Good oppinions btw, you sound like you know what your talking about.

Sorry that was the impression I was under the way people were talking. I assumed, kick me! :oops:

[Raider926]

a clean bulk takes alittle longer

not true. You can add muscle very quickly but it takes ALOT more dedication. and you can add alot more muscle faster on a clean bulk then a dirty, done correctly.

[Raider926]

fat is easy to loose, Muscle is hard to gain

So true. What sucks though is worrying soo much about losing muscle with it.

[Strongest Man In The World]

not if youve put on a so much durring the "dirty bulk" that you can stand to loose a couple lbs of lean mass and not be worried:)

[Dunecune442]

Oddly enough ive gotten bigger during my cutting phase... muscle wise. My arms got 1.5 inches larger, my chest went from 44 to 46 inches (thats what it was when I got fitted for a suit...) and my back feels alittle thicker.

I hope i have insulted ya donnie about the bulk, just in case.

I have no need to be "huge", im actually quite happy at 210. When I lose my stomach Ill start a mild bulking phase (eat about 1500 calories more), as clean as possible.

I understand a clean bulk is just as effective and just as fast, but very few people can east 3-6 chicken breast a day and carry cups of sweet potatos and brown rice around every day, plus the scoops of protein. A clean bulk is even pricier than a clean cut diet. My diet right now cost 10-15 dollars daily. If I wanted to bulk it would atleast double, so I may end up eating alittle dirty now and then just because Im going into college and would like to start investing soon, plus Id like to spend money on stuff other than food :lol:

Bulking isnt a bad thing at all if Ive made it sound that way. Id just like to get my definition in, and later on Ill worry about mass. Tell me of any other 17 year olds that have a 17 inch arm unpumped or a 46 inch chest, and Ill reconsider but considering my age i think im doing quite well at this stage and Im interested to see how easy it would be for me in my 20's to gain mass since im increasing muscle production while dropping my caloric intake (although ive upped my protein intake since my bulk phase to increase ketosis).

[Strongest Man In The World]

Bulking isnt a bad thing at all if Ive made it sound that way. Id just like to get my definition in, and later on Ill worry about mass.

See, thats where we differ, I say, gimme the mass now, and ill cut it up later on. But for 17 your doing a good job (i didnt know you were only 17, i actually though u were alot older) i wish i would have gotten into this shit when i was in HS

[Dunecune442]

Yea I know exactly what method your using. My method is like a workout pyramid. Ill bulk for a few weeks then cut for a few weeks on and off, but very subtle. Im not for huge changes in weight, although the benefits are great. When you replace 40lbs of fat with 25lbs of muscle there is not better feeling. However ive always been alittle chubby in my youth and I definatly do not ever want to get chubby or fat again.

[Shizzle]

I dont know if this has already been said, but another advantage of a clean bulk is that lmm (lean muscle mass) actually aids in the burning of fat in the long run.

Its quite possible to keep the same weight..get "bigger" and drop bodyfat while clean bulking and/or clean cutting.

Of course, w/o the proper diet all that means nothing.

[Dunecune442]

first off your avatar kicks ass LOL!

secondly, your right about the clean bulk. Its just expensive for many.