So what did you think of the State of the union address?

[HullBreach]

Just curious how this was received amount the TF political Junkies!

[PPGMD]

It was pretty good, hopefully he can get some of it done, but I doubt it, it's an election year very very little gets done because if it needs fixing they can use it as a reelection issue.

[Kryptix]

meh. More of the same. Terrorists, extremists, terrorists, extremists, Iraq, Al Qaeda, making empty promises to curtail spending and stuff like that. Like I said more of the same.

[Tripw0l]

More of the same. The only stuff that reflected positively, like pulling out 20,000 troops is too little, too late.

[Achill3s]

Didn't get to see it...at work!

[Country Boy]

same ol stuff, different day. Its all a bunch of empty promises to keep the general publics moral up about how shitty the economy and the value of the dollar is.

What I found funny is I bet if he said that he shit his pants, the whole republican side would still stand and clap. Talk about a bunch of lemmings.

[SilentBob86]

yeah....jesus there was like 19 standing ovations...wtf...its not MLK its GW!!!!But more of the same old crap....there trying to protect us....yep :roll:More "security"

[Country Boy]

I found it funny that he is going to cut taxes but he wants all these other programs and incentives. Wheres the money gonna come from?

[Topless T/A]

I found it funny that he is going to cut taxes but he wants all these other programs and incentives. Wheres the money gonna come from?


holy shit somebody with common-sense!!!!!


yes it was more of the same BS....everything is a "tough" decision and we are going through "difficult" times....it'll take "hard" work, but jesus will save us all!!

[Country Boy]

I give him one credit though. He didnt look like the typical dumbfounded GW when he was actually speaking.

[HullBreach]

I give him one credit though. He didnt look like the typical dumbfounded GW when he was actually speaking.

I noticed that too. He also seemed to be taking some pleaseure in those akward moments when the GOP was applauding and the dem's were trying their hardest not to look furious.

[TampaDude]

I noticed that too. He also seemed to be taking some pleaseure in those akward moments when the GOP was applauding and the dem's were trying their hardest not to look furious.

Yeah, I loved it when the Republicans would stand up and cheer, and the Democrats would just sit there stonefaced.

Hey...did anyone else see Ted Kennedy falling asleep during the speech? Too funny! :lmao:

[Country Boy]

Yeah, I loved it when the Republicans would stand up and cheer, and the Democrats would just sit there stonefaced.

Hey...did anyone else see Ted Kennedy falling asleep during the speech? Too funny! :lmao:

Was he the dude who yawned?

[HullBreach]

Was he the dude who yawned?

Nah, he was the fat dude with white hair reading next to Barack Obama. Bet it was the drink menu...

[Country Boy]

ahhh.. glad you said sitting next to Obama cause the whole place was full of fat guys with white hair :lol:

[Scott]

What I found funny is I bet if he said that he shit his pants, the whole republican side would still stand and clap. Talk about a bunch of lemmings.


Carl, it is tradition no matter what party is in power.

Personally I found it pathetic the Dems would not stand up on the FISA anti-terrorism round of applause.

[Scott]

I found it funny that he is going to cut taxes but he wants all these other programs and incentives. Wheres the money gonna come from?



Cutting taxes produces more income plain and simple.

We have set one new record for revenues after another since the tax cuts that went in a few years ago. This is something Democrats some how do not understand.

On the other hand the Democrats tax the shit out of people and it slows down growth and spending. Plus it is there way of spreading the wealth to the people that do not want to work for it. Robin Hood 101.

[Scott]

holy shit somebody with common-sense!!!!!




Please elabrate on this lack of common sense. :roll: Or just discredit the article on a whole and take the easy way out, seems to work for some others around here.





Top 10 Myths About the Bush Tax Cuts

10. Myth: The Bush tax cuts were tilted toward the rich.

Fact: The rich are now shouldering even more of the income tax burden. From 2000 to 2004, the share of all individual income taxes paid by the bottom 40% of taxpayers dropped from 0% to -4%, meaning that the average family in those quintiles received a subsidy. The share paid by the top 20% of households increased from 81% to 85%.

9. Myth: The Bush tax cuts have not helped the economy.

Fact: The economy responded strongly to the 2003 tax cuts. The 2003 tax cuts lowered income, capital gains and dividend tax rates. These policies increased market incentives to work, save and invest, creating jobs and increasing economic growth.

8. Myth: Tax cuts help the economy by "putting money in people's pockets."

Fact: Pro-growth tax cuts support incentives for productive behavior. Government spending does not "pump new money into the economy," because government must first tax or borrow that money out of the economy. The right tax cuts help the economy by reducing government's influence on economic decisions and allowing people to respond more to market mechanisms.

7. Myth: Reversing the upper-income tax cuts would raise substantial revenues.

Fact: The low-income tax cuts reduced revenues the most. In 2007, the increased child tax credit, marriage penalty relief, 10% bracket and Alternative Minimum Tax fix will have a combined budgetary impact of minus $114 billion -- without strong supply-side effects to minimize that effect. But the more maligned capital gains, dividends and estate tax cuts are projected to reduce 2007 revenues by just $36 billion, even before the large supply-side effects are incorporated.

6. Myth: Raising tax rates is the best way to raise revenue.

Fact: Tax revenues correlate with economic growth, not tax rates. Since 1952, the highest marginal income tax rate has dropped from 92% to 35%, and tax revenues have grown in inflation-adjusted terms while remaining constant as a percent of GDP.

5. Myth: The Bush tax cuts are to blame for the projected long-term budget deficits.

Fact: Projections show that entitlement costs will dwarf the projected large revenue increases. Revenues are projected to increase from 18% of GDP to almost 23% by 2050, while spending is projected to increase from 20% of GDP to at least 38%.

4. Myth: Capital gains tax cuts do not pay for themselves.

Fact: Capital gains tax revenues doubled following the 2003 tax cut. In 2003, capital gains tax rates were reduced from 20% and 10% (depending on income) to 15% and 5%, respectively. Rather than expand from $50 billion in 2003 to $68 billion in 2006 as the CBO projected, capital gains revenues more than doubled to $103 billion.

3. Myth: Supply-side economics assumes that all tax cuts immediately pay for themselves.

Fact: It assumes replenishment of some but not necessarily all lost revenues. Supply-side economics never contended that all tax cuts pay for themselves. Rather the Laffer Curve merely formalizes the common-sense observations that: Tax revenues depend on the tax base as well as the tax rate; raising tax rates discourages the taxed behavior and shrinks the tax base, offsetting some of the revenue gains; and lowering tax rates encourages the taxed behavior and expands the tax base, offsetting some of the revenue loss.

2. Myth: The Bush tax cuts substantially reduced 2006 revenues and expanded the budget deficit.

Fact: Nearly all the 2006 budget deficit resulted from additional spending above the baseline. Historic spending increases pushed federal spending up from 18.5% of GDP in 2001 to 20.2% in 2006.

1. Myth: Tax revenues remain low.

Fact: Tax revenues are above the historical average, even after the tax cuts. Tax revenues in 2006 were 18.4%of gross domestic product (GDP), which is actually above the 20-year, 40-year, and 60-year historical averages.

[Topless T/A]

^ You got a source for that article there killer?

I think it's funny that you think that federal programs can be funded without tax revenue...I've yet to see anyone answer the question "where is the money going to come from?" that made any kind of coherent sense. There's a reason why departments like the DOEd, DOI, FWS, and NPS all are extremely short on funds, and that reason is sitting in Washington with the rest of his boys.

[Scott]

^ You got a source for that article there killer?




Here you go big guy. Pick away. I thought I cut/paste it on my last post. It even has embedded links within the article, I just posted the short version.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/bg2001.cfm

[Kryptix]

Here you go big guy. Pick away. I thought I cut/paste it on my last post. It even has embedded links within the article, I just posted the short version.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/bg2001.cfm

Aahh. A conservative think tank.

[Scott]

Aahh. A conservative think tank.


And just like a good lib I suppose you discredit the whole ( and very detailed ) article just because of the source ?

But if it came from CNN or similar I am sure this would not even be a question. :roll:

Why is it that libs will quickly discredit sources but cry there is no media bias when it comes to the mainstream ?

Ahh well never mind, you guys are making a good point without knowing it. The info. is posted for you to disseminate.

[Country Boy]

but the point still remians.. if he is to cut taxes, where is he coming up with this extra money for the programs he mentioned and the incentives and such. Also, how is he going to fund the Iraqi war that has now costed $1.2 trillion?

Im glad Im not a Dem or Repub.. lol

[Topless T/A]

Aahh. A conservative think tank.

:lol:

but the point still remians.. if he is to cut taxes, where is he coming up with this extra money for the programs he mentioned and the incentives and such. Also, how is he going to fund the Iraqi war that has now costed $1.2 trillion?

Im glad Im not a Dem or Repub.. lol

True story...the Republicans never have an answer for that question, hence why Scott hasn't shot back with anything yet. They want all these great things done for them, but they don't want to pay for it.

[Scott]

True story...the Republicans never have an answer for that question, hence why Scott hasn't shot back with anything yet. They want all these great things done for them, but they don't want to pay for it.


So this is all you have as a retort after you received some info to digest ? Different day same plan of attack. :lol: You go you.

I am still waiting for you to "shoot back" some rebuttal on what I posted about cutting taxes and how it is shown it works. Not more " well my opinion is". :lol:

He comes up with the money from cutting government hand out programs and tons of other pork barrel stuff that the Dems slap on. Just like the stimulus plan that has passed today and is going to the Democratic Senate where they will try to slap a bunch more money onto it, you watch.

[whitebread]

Aahh. A conservative think tank.
you don't like their views, so therefore the information is false? that's not very rational. now if it was an opinion piece, that would be different. but this was based on facts. so if the information was untrue, why don't you put forward facts to show that? otherwise, simply attacking the source seems petty.

[Scott]

you don't like their views, so therefore the information is false? that's not very rational. now if it was an opinion piece, that would be different. but this was based on facts. so if the information was untrue, why don't you put forward facts to show that? otherwise, simply attacking the source seems petty.


^^^^


holy shit somebody with common-sense!!!!!





:lol:

It is not like I posted something from Media Matters or Move on. Oh wait those are lib sites n/m.

[Silvia_San]

i didn't watch it. if i wanted to hear a retard rattle on about shit i'd go listen to the mentally challenged man bagging my groceries.

[P057]

Just from a logical sense, the lesser amount of taxes being forced on us (in just standard taxes, not including taxing products//sales tax) the more income we have, the more money we have for spending. People like to spend, they like to spend right now, even when they don't have money. The more money being spent to the economy just boosts everything, economy flourishes. That tiny percentage added onto every purchase you make that heads to the government does a little "Office Space" type dealie where it starts compounding and growing exponentially.

Of course I'm way oversimplifying it but its the basic gist of it all. It makes sense.

[buck19]

He also makes HUGE cuts in his No Child Left Behind idea. Yeah. That's a flop.