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fencerider2
01-29-2008, 08:01 AM
I bet more than a couple of the large investment banks are going " OH SHIT "


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/business/27subprime.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

A company that analyzed the quality of thousands of home loans for investment banks has agreed to provide evidence to New York state prosecutors that the banks had detailed information about the risks posed by ill-fated subprime mortgages.

Investigators are looking at whether that information, which could have prevented the collapse of securities backed by those loans, was deliberately withheld from investors.

Clayton Holdings, a company based in Connecticut that vetted home loans for many investment banks, has agreed to provide important documents and the testimony of its officials to the New York attorney general, Andrew M. Cuomo, in exchange for immunity from civil and criminal prosecution in the state.

Investment rating firms like Moody’s and Fitch have said that they were deprived of this information before they gave the securities the top rating, triple-A.
Investment banks hired companies like Clayton to evaluate a sample, say 20 percent, of the loans. The review was supposed to determine whether the loans complied with the law and met the lending standards that the mortgage companies said they were using. Loans that did not were classified as exceptions.

MianoSM
01-29-2008, 09:47 AM
Should be interesting to see what comes of it.

Though the loans are "sub-prime" for a reason. :dunno:

fencerider2
01-29-2008, 10:18 AM
Should be interesting to see what comes of it.

Though the loans are "sub-prime" for a reason. :dunno:

That's were it may get interesting, a lot of loans that were portrayed as prime were actually sub prime, stay tuned.

Strangeholliday
01-29-2008, 01:04 PM
That's were it may get interesting, a lot of loans that were portrayed as prime were actually sub prime, stay tuned.

In your opinion what classifies someone as a subprime borrower?

I've seen people with 520 scores get 100 % Prime loan, same rate as someone with a 750 score.

fencerider2
01-29-2008, 04:18 PM
In your opinion what classifies someone as a subprime borrower?

I've seen people with 520 scores get 100 % Prime loan, same rate as someone with a 750 score.


How could a person with 520 qualifty for prime, that is subprime.

Strangeholliday
01-29-2008, 04:44 PM
How could a person with 520 qualifty for prime, that is subprime.

fannie mae has an automated underwriting system.
This lady had a 520 score, but her husband made 10k a month in Iraq, she was buying a condo in tampa. If it gets an approval through fannie mae then its sellable to fannie mae and considered prime.

So her score sucked, her LTV sucked, but her debt to income ratio was really really good.
Now guess how much the mortgage insurance company charged her for mortgage insurance?

fencerider2
01-29-2008, 07:27 PM
fannie mae has an automated underwriting system.
This lady had a 520 score, but her husband made 10k a month in Iraq, she was buying a condo in tampa. If it gets an approval through fannie mae then its sellable to fannie mae and considered prime.

So her score sucked, her LTV sucked, but her debt to income ratio was really really good.
Now guess how much the mortgage insurance company charged her for mortgage insurance?



So is she buying a prime rate with the insurance?