Hillary wins Florida Primary for the Dems...

[Josh]

http://www.baynews9.com/ElectionResults.html?1.29.2008-78040235

:lol: oh shit....

[Scott]

Poor Barrack The Magic Dragon

[Chris RX-7]

It's a shame for Hilary that the Dems are not honoring the FL primary this election... :lol:

[jabtay]

It's a shame for Hilary that the Dems are not honoring the FL primary this election... :lol:
Exactly...but does that surprise you? she was pushing for the Florida delegates to be seated, and has in a round about way campaigned in this state. Its a disgrace, Obama, and Edwards should be raising hell with this back handed political strategy. But then again it is the clintons...what did they expect, for her to keep her word?

[Topless T/A]

Can some of you sum up for me your hatred of the Clintons (other than the obvious fact that they are Democrats) for me? I think a lot of conservatives even hard a hard time denying that Bill Clinton did a lot of good for our economy and environment....obviously much more than Bush has.

[Josh]

Can some of you sum up for me your hatred of the Clintons (other than the obvious fact that they are Democrats) for me? I think a lot of conservatives even hard a hard time denying that Bill Clinton did a lot of good for our economy and environment....obviously much more than Bush has.

you mean other than that both him and his wife are just outright liars and cheats....nevermind they are both socialist pigs.....

[Topless T/A]

you mean other than that both him and his wife are just outright liars and cheats....nevermind they are both socialist pigs.....

isn't every politician a liar and a cheat?...nobody would even be in the situation to even run for President if they hadn't lied and cheated their way up the ladder.

[Josh]

isn't every politician a liar and a cheat?...nobody would even be in the situation to even run for President if they hadn't lied and cheated their way up the ladder.

no, i don't believe every politician is - MOST are.

[jabtay]

Lets see...they are highly corrupt. They are highly immoral (renting out the Lincoln bedroom, taking contributions from the Chinese, stealing furniture out of the White House on their way out, trashing AF1 on their way out, general attitudes). Plus they are soulless, and should have never been in power. Contrary to popular belief, bill did not do that much for the economy. it was slipping towards a recession when he was on his way out.

[Topless T/A]

Lets see...they are highly corrupt. They are highly immoral (renting out the Lincoln bedroom, taking contributions from the Chinese, stealing furniture out of the White House on their way out, trashing AF1 on their way out, general attitudes). Plus they are soulless, and should have never been in power. Contrary to popular belief, bill did not do that much for the economy. it was slipping towards a recession when he was on his way out.

So you're blaming the actions of some of the Clinton staff on the Clintons themselves? I mean one of my employees pisses on the toilet seat everyday, but that doesn;t mean that I'm an asshole does it? The Air Force one rumors were false FYI.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/t/trashingthewhitehouse.htm

[Silvia_San]

Lets see...they are highly corrupt. They are highly immoral (renting out the Lincoln bedroom, taking contributions from the Chinese, stealing furniture out of the White House on their way out, trashing AF1 on their way out, general attitudes). Plus they are soulless, and should have never been in power. Contrary to popular belief, bill did not do that much for the economy. it was slipping towards a recession when he was on his way out.

you really must invite me to this magical happy land you live in where all politicians aren't lying thieves.

[jabtay]

you really must invite me to this magical happy land you live in where all politicians aren't lying thieves.
Did I say they were not? But there are levels of corruption, and they are at the highest.

[BAMF]

isn't every politician a liar and a cheat?...nobody would even be in the situation to even run for President if they hadn't lied and cheated their way up the ladder.

Hillary is an anti-gunner, a socialist, and just generally seems like a wacko. A complete and utter wacko. Her hubby had some bad points as well, but he wasn't as bad as she seems like she'll be if she gets in.


And of course not every politician is a liar. OMFG RON PAUL FTW OMG MANLOVE!!!!!!!!! :lol:

[jabtay]

So you're blaming the actions of some of the Clinton staff on the Clintons themselves? I mean one of my employees pisses on the toilet seat everyday, but that doesn;t mean that I'm an asshole does it? The Air Force one rumors were false FYI.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/t/trashingthewhitehouse.htm
oh ok...so a person is not responsible for their employees actions? That sounds like a typical blame everyone else liberal. Also this is the only part of my statement you address?

[Topless T/A]

oh ok...so a person is not responsible for their employees actions? That sounds like a typical blame everyone else liberal. Also this is the only part of my statement you address?

ok let me re-visit your statement.....

Lets see...they are highly corrupt. They are highly immoral (renting out the Lincoln bedroom, taking contributions from the Chinese, stealing furniture out of the White House on their way out, trashing AF1 on their way out, general attitudes). Plus they are soulless, and should have never been in power. Contrary to popular belief, bill did not do that much for the economy. it was slipping towards a recession when he was on his way out.

ok so we've discussed the "trashing the whitehouse and airforce one deal right?...ok so explain to me how they are the most corrupt people on earth, because I'm wondering how you came to that conclusion....and actually it's been shown over and over that Bill had a postive impact on the economy as a whole, not to mention on environmental issues that I know none of you care about....I mean if you want I can run down links and all of that for you, but it's common sense that everybody knows, but some people chose not to admit.:lol:

[jabtay]

ok so we've discussed the "trashing the whitehouse and airforce one deal right?...ok so explain to me how they are the most corrupt people on earth, because I'm wondering how you came to that conclusion....and actually it's been shown over and over that Bill had a postive impact on the economy as a whole, not to mention on environmental issues that I know none of you care about....I mean if you want I can run down links and all of that for you, but it's common sense that everybody knows, but some people chose not to admit.:lol:

Well lets see, how did you get I said "the most corrupt people on earth"? Trying to do a little slant on this are we? the economy was trashed when he left office. He had scandal after scandal, he was impeached. He demoralized the country with "I did not have sexual relations with that woman". By saying that, he claims a bj is not sex, thus is ok for kids to do. We can argue that point till we are blue in the face. People have to deal with their actions, and how it will impact others. We can talk about illegal campaign contributions, shady dealings with the chinese. The lack of fortitude against aggressors...the list goes on and on.

[Derek]

It always goes back to the BJ.

[beautiful_disaster]

Can some of you sum up for me your hatred of the Clintons (other than the obvious fact that they are Democrats) for me? I think a lot of conservatives even hard a hard time denying that Bill Clinton did a lot of good for our economy and environment....obviously much more than Bush has.


+1!!

[Grangalan]

This is a primarily gun predominant state... how the FUCK does billary win this state? oh must be because all the old fucking people... sigh..


btw i think clinton was an amazing president... although back then i could not excercise my 2nd amendment rights. Good for the economy, but say bye bye to your 2nd amendment rights.

[PPGMD]

I think a lot of conservatives even hard a hard time denying that Bill Clinton did a lot of good for our economy and environment....obviously much more than Bush has.

Tell me exactly what did he do for the economy? The link between the President and the economy is tenuous at best, the most the President can hope to do is influence. Clinton just happened to be President when the tech boom started, and left office right before the bubble bursting hit in full force.

Also the environment, Clinton courted then green agenda but he never embraced it. The difference between him and Bush is that Bush didn't bother courting it.

[Joe]

Tell me exactly what did he do for the economy? The link between the President and the economy is tenuous at best, the most the President can hope to do is influence. Clinton just happened to be President when the tech boom started, and left office right before the bubble bursting hit in full force.

Also the environment, Clinton courted then green agenda but he never embraced it. The difference between him and Bush is that Bush didn't bother courting it.


This is something that most Americans will never truly understand...

BTW, My issues with the latest round of Dems is their fiscal ideas... primarily the ones that involve raising taxes to fund socialist programs.

[25psi]

Presidents have little control over the economy.


I want to know how Hillary plans to pay for all her hand-out programs.

[Joe]

I want to know how Hillary plans to pay for all her hand-out programs.

Taxing the RICH (>$75K/yr)... Duh!

[Topless T/A]

so I guess all of you seem to have forgotten that Clinton balanced the budget for the first time in years while he was President...but who cares about that right?

[Joe]

so I guess all of you seem to have forgotten that Clinton balanced the budget for the first time in years while he was President...but who cares about that right?

How long has Hillary been in her office she currently sits in? 8 years.

How many "balanced budgets with no tax increases" has she presented?
None.

How many bills can a president submit to Congress? None.

Is Bill the same person as Hillary? Duh...

Next...

[Joe]

so I guess all of you seem to have forgotten that Clinton balanced the budget for the first time in years while he was President...but who cares about that right?


BTW, while Clinton was president, it was primarily a Republican controlled congress...

[Topless T/A]

How long has Hillary been in her office she currently sits in? 8 years.

How many "balanced budgets with no tax increases" has she presented?
None.

How many bills can a president submit to Congress? None.

Is Bill the same person as Hillary? Duh...

Next...


That's not entirely my point...mot of the hatred I see here comes as a result of Bill being in office, and I don't think you can deny that....and like I've said to you anti-tax people in the past, you all want all of these great programs and a strong government to do things for you, but you don't want to pay for it....throw in a little common sense, and you'll quickly see that it doesn't quite work that way.

BTW, while Clinton was president, it was primarily a Republican controlled congress...

It doesn't matter...if the President has nothing to do with how the U.S operates, then why do we even have a President?

[PPGMD]

so I guess all of you seem to have forgotten that Clinton balanced the budget for the first time in years while he was President...but who cares about that right?

The balance budget came from increased tax revenue from the Tech Bubble, and decreased military spendings from Cold War levels. No social program was defunded by Clinton, nor by Congress. Welfare was reorganized, but he vetoed twice.

[Joe]

That's not entirely my point...mot of the hatred I see here comes as a result of Bill being in office, and I don't think you can deny that....and like I've said to you anti-tax people in the past, you all want all of these great programs and a strong government to do things for you, but you don't want to pay for it....throw in a little common sense, and you'll quickly see that it doesn't quite work that way.

Maybe you should bother to read my posts before knowing what I want.

Smaller government requires less money. Makes sense doesn't it?



It doesn't matter...if the President has nothing to do with how the U.S operates, then why do we even have a President?

Name me one bill that Bill Clinton submitted to help America.

Again, didn't you vote for Hillary or am I confused with who is actually running for president here... ?

[Topless T/A]

The balance budget came from increased tax revenue from the Tech Bubble, and decreased military spendings from Cold War levels. No social program was defunded by Clinton, nor by Congress. Welfare was reorganized, but he vetoed twice.

oh I'm sorry, I guess he was worthless...you know maybe we should just do away with the Presidency right?..I mean if they're not responsible for anything that happens to our country, then they must be useless.

[Joe]

oh I'm sorry, I guess he was worthless...you know maybe we should just do away with the Presidency right?..I mean if they're not responsible for anything that happens to our country, then they must be useless.

Can you explain the President's role to us without looking it up?

I seriously think you may not know.

BTW, the MOST important vote to me is the one for Senate and House. The presidential vote is a secondary to me because of the power of veto.

[Topless T/A]

Can you explain the President's role to us without looking it up?

I seriously think you may not know.

BTW, the MOST important vote to me is the one for Senate and House. The presidential vote is a secondary to me because of the power of veto.

Well it depends on whether the President is a Democrat or a Republican as to what their role is :lol:

[PPGMD]

The President have an effect, but in the case of Clinton he did some stuff, but none of the huge things people like to credit him with.

Lets list some of the things that he did or helped get done:
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act
Family and Medical Leave Act
Started the AmeriCorps
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
Line Item Veto Act
Iraq Liberation Act
Created the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization (National Missile Defense Program)
Intervened in Kosovo
Attempted to end the Arab-Israeli Conflict (Key word attempt neither side wants peace)
Don't Ask Don't Tell
Approved extraordinary rendition

That's pretty much his presidency in a nut shell, some good, some bad, some otherwise. Those are things that he supported or was directly involved in.

[BAMF]

The President have an effect, but in the case of Clinton he did some stuff, but none of the huge things people like to credit him with.

Lets list some of the things that he did or helped get done:
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act
Family and Medical Leave Act
Started the AmeriCorps
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
Line Item Veto Act
Iraq Liberation Act
Created the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization (National Missile Defense Program)
Intervened in Kosovo
Attempted to end the Arab-Israeli Conflict (Key word attempt neither side wants peace)
Don't Ask Don't Tell
Approved extraordinary rendition

That's pretty much his presidency in a nut shell, some good, some bad, some otherwise. Those are things that he supported or was directly involved in.

The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act is what balanced the budget. Hence, Bill Clinton balanced the fucking budget. Why can't people give credit where credit is due? By the way, him and those Republicans in congress screamed bloody murder at eachother over it. ;)


And Joe, I entirely agree with you. Hillary IS NOT Bill. Bill Clinton, character flaws aside (which ignorant fucking America seems to forget are less important than how the president manages this country), was an overall good president. He did some good things for this country. I cannot see his wife doing anywhere near the same amount of good. But I CAN see her fucking up our finances almost as bad as Bush has (she'll end the war, so there is no way she will spend as much as Bush has) and ushering in a new era of socialism, abuse of the hard-working and well-off middle and upper classes, and oh yeah...we'll get attacked. And she won't do shit about it aside from try to 'talk peace' and throw money at them.

[PPGMD]

The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act is what balanced the budget. Hence, Bill Clinton balanced the fucking budget. Why can't people give credit where credit is due? By the way, him and those Republicans in congress screamed bloody murder at eachother over it. ;)

Except that a majority of the balanced budget came from increased tax revenue from tech bubble and decreased spending because of military cuts due to the ending of the Cold War. Both things that Clinton had no control over.

He balanced the budget as much as Al Gore invented the internet.

[BAMF]

Except that a majority of the balanced budget came from increased tax revenue from tech bubble and decreased spending because of military cuts due to the ending of the Cold War. Both things that Clinton had no control over.

He balanced the budget as much as Al Gore invented the internet.

But wait, everyone always screams how CLINTON is an asshole for hack-n-slashing the military!!!

Oh yeah, the military hack-n-slashing WAS courtesy of Bill Clinton's budget proposals, and your 'tech bubble' idea is whimsical at best.

[PPGMD]

But wait, everyone always screams how CLINTON is an asshole for hack-n-slashing the military!!!

The decrease in spending was started in 1991 (many of the units that deployed for ODS were deactivated at the end of the war), he took it too far, the military was in pretty bad condition at the end of his term.

Oh yeah, the military hack-n-slashing WAS courtesy of Bill Clinton's budget proposals, and your 'tech bubble' idea is whimsical at best.

Really thats why even Forbes reports it. The Tech Bubble is quite real.

[Kryptix]

It always goes back to the BJ.

You have a point. Clinton was a great president and did a lot of good things. Sure he made a few mistakes, like any president has. But overall, he was a great president. Some of the comments in here are completely wrong and uncalled for. If I had the energy I would hack at everyone of them. But instead I'll just post this humorous and very relevant video.

YouTube - Clinton Got A Blowjob

[PPGMD]

So that's the new "But... Bush" Comparing to faulty intelligence to outright lying to a grand jury is pointless. Hell the BJ doesn't even matter, he was a President that glided on a good economy, he only got one of his campaign promises done at all.

[2MuchDuctTape]

Hillary is the anti-Christ. She is a liar, and will do anything necessary to get back into the White House and power.

She.
Scares.
Me.



Go Obama

[soprannaUSF]

I just want someone OTHER than Bush.

[PPGMD]

I just want someone OTHER than Bush.

I'm quite sure that's going to happen since his term is up, and Jeb isn't running.

[satanshatch]

AND I'm looking for a place to live/work in Canada as we speak..

[Kryptix]

So that's the new "But... Bush" Comparing to faulty intelligence to outright lying to a grand jury is pointless. Hell the BJ doesn't even matter, he was a President that glided on a good economy, he only got one of his campaign promises done at all.
What a waste of tax payer money. How much tax payer money did they spend on investigations? The whole thing was entirely partisan and should have been kept behind doors. But nooooooo, the right winger hatred for Clinton was overwhelming their logical thought process and they went ahead and impeached him against the will of the general public and they lost some seats because of it. George Bush and his administration won't even testify to anything because he knows and they know they'll catch him and them in a lie or lies.

[satanshatch]

Good bye gun rights!

[25psi]

What a waste of tax payer money. How much tax payer money did they spend on investigations? The whole thing was entirely partisan and should have been kept behind doors. But nooooooo, the right winger hatred for Clinton was overwhelming their logical thought process and they went ahead and impeached him against the will of the general public and they lost some seats because of it. George Bush and his administration won't even testify to anything because he knows and they know they'll catch him and them in a lie or lies.

Kind of the like the big waste of taxpayer money when the Dems insisted on an investigation of the fired attorneys that served at the pleasure of the president?

[Kryptix]

Good bye gun rights!

Hillary Clinton respects your 2nd amendment right. Here is her stance on gun control.
http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm
Hillary Clinton on Gun Control



Keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them
We need to stand firm on behalf of sensible gun control legislation. We have to enact laws that will keep guns out of the hand of children and criminals and mentally unbalanced persons. Congress should have acted before our children started going back to school. I realize the NRA is a formidable political group; but I believe the American people are ready to come together as a nation and do whatever it takes to keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them.
Source: www.hillary2000.org, “Gun Safety” Sep 9, 2000

License and register all handgun sales
Hillary Rodham Clinton offered her support for a legislative proposal to license hand guns. The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Charles Schumer, would require anyone who wants to purchase a gun to obtain a state-issued photo gun license. “I stand in support of this common sense legislation to license everyone who wishes to purchase a gun,” Clinton said. “I also believe that every new handgun sale or transfer should be registered in a national registry, such as Chuck is proposing.”
Source: CNN.com Jun 2, 2000

Tough gun control keeps guns out of wrong hands
I think it does once again urge us to think hard about what we can do to make sure that we keep guns out of the hands of children and criminals and mentally unbalanced people. I hope we will come together as a nation and do whatever it takes to keep guns away from people who have no business with them.
Source: Press Release Jul 31, 1999

Gun control protects our children
We will not make progress on a sensible gun control agenda unless the entire American public gets behind it. It is really important for each of you [kids] to make sure you stay away from guns. If you have guns in your home, tell your parents to keep them away from you and your friends and your little brothers and sisters.
Source: Forum at South Side Middle School in Nassau County Jul 15, 1999

Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation
We have to do everything possible to keep guns out of the hands of children, and we need to stand firm on behalf of the sensible gun control legislation that passed the Senate and then was watered down in the House. It does not make sense for us at this point in our history to turn our backs on the reality that there are too many guns and too many children have access to those guns-and we have to act to prevent that.
Source: Remarks to NEA in Orlando, Florida Jul 5, 1999

Lock up guns; store ammo separately
If you own a gun... make sure it’s locked up and stored without the ammunition. In fact, make it stored where the ammunition is stored separately. We’ve made some progress in the last several years with the Brady Bill and some of the bans on assault weapons, but we have a lot of work to do.

[Kryptix]

Kind of the like the big waste of taxpayer money when the Dems insisted on an investigation of the fired attorneys that served at the pleasure of the president?
Sorry bud. Nothing like that. We spent over $50 million on investigations for the Clintons to find nothing. How much have we spent on investigating Bush?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_of_U.S._attorneys_controversy
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/09/20/national/main234848.shtml

[Josh]

License and register all handgun sales
Hillary Rodham Clinton offered her support for a legislative proposal to license hand guns. The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Charles Schumer, would require anyone who wants to purchase a gun to obtain a state-issued photo gun license. “I stand in support of this common sense legislation to license everyone who wishes to purchase a gun,” Clinton said. “I also believe that every new handgun sale or transfer should be registered in a national registry, such as Chuck is proposing.”
Source: CNN.com Jun 2, 2000

Lost me right there....

[BAMF]

Hillary Clinton respects your 2nd amendment right. Here is her stance on gun control.
http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:


Hillary Clinton respects my 2nd ammendment rights like I respect some dirty bitch at a bar that lets me stick it in her ass!

:lol:


She has voted YES on all of the subsequent AWB bans which restricted just about every gun in existance - they are far more severe than the original AWB which was horseshit to begin with. I don't need to say anything else but that in order to thwart any and all possible responses you might have to my declaration. If you value your 2nd amendment, KEEP HILLARY OUT!

[blurboEK]

Hillary Clinton respects your 2nd amendment right. Here is her stance on gun control.
License and register all handgun sales
Hillary Rodham Clinton offered her support for a legislative proposal to license hand guns. The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Charles Schumer, would require anyone who wants to purchase a gun to obtain a state-issued photo gun license. “I stand in support of this common sense legislation to license everyone who wishes to purchase a gun,” Clinton said. “I also believe that every new handgun sale or transfer should be registered in a national registry, such as Chuck is proposing.”
Source: CNN.com Jun 2, 2000

lol, NY currently has this in place. It has cost tax payers roughly 26 million dollar to upkeep for going on 7 years and not once has it helped solve a gun-related crime.. it's a total waste of money. criminals do not register their guns, they do not apply for concealed permits and they do not care about any laws pertaining to guns.. no democrat is pro-2nd amendment rights..

[jabtay]

A national gun registration, will only put the law abiding citizens in the database.

[Topless T/A]

Obviously I'm not going to say that Hillary is pro-gun, but she's not entirely anti-gun either....at the same time, if you base who you vote for President off of whether or not you you can have a small, un-licensed munitions arsenal in your house, then I think you need to take a step back and look at the important issues.

[Joe]

Obviously I'm not going to say that Hillary is pro-gun, but she's not entirely anti-gun either....at the same time, if you base who you vote for President off of whether or not you you can have a small, un-licensed munitions arsenal in your house, then I think you need to take a step back and look at the important issues.


You mean like taxing the shit out of the "RICH" to pay for the "poor" people who have come to this country in a manner which breaks the existing laws... right?

Seriously... Gun control/bans are VERY important. There is nothing more dangerous then a country where law abiding citizens do not have guns.

Europe has several great examples of this...

What issues do YOU consider important?

[25psi]

Obviously I'm not going to say that Hillary is pro-gun, but she's not entirely anti-gun either....at the same time, if you base who you vote for President off of whether or not you you can have a small, un-licensed munitions arsenal in your house, then I think you need to take a step back and look at the important issues.

2nd Amendment rights are very important to some of us. If you start to bring in more gun legislation it just becomes a slippery slope.

[BAMF]

Obviously I'm not going to say that Hillary is pro-gun, but she's not entirely anti-gun either....at the same time, if you base who you vote for President off of whether or not you you can have a small, un-licensed munitions arsenal in your house, then I think you need to take a step back and look at the important issues.


Take a step back and remember HOW this country was founded.

And Hillary is entirely anti-gun. She has never once supported anything pro-gun. That makes her entirely anti-gun.

[PPGMD]

Not entirely anti-gun, that just means she knows that banning them outright is a very very very negative position that will alienate the moderates of the country.

Anyways it always starts with a registration, then it moves on to a ban.

[Kryptix]

You guys would still be able to keep your guns. You would just have to get an ID and register them. These chnages would make it harder for criminals to get guns and if you do that you have done a good job in protecting. Virginia Tech would not have happened if they had these laws enacted. I'm sure it would have stopped a lot of other killings as well.

[BAMF]

You guys would still be able to keep your guns. You would just have to get an ID and register them. These chnages would make it harder for criminals to get guns and if you do that you have done a good job in protecting. Virginia Tech would not have happened if they had these laws enacted. I'm sure it would have stopped a lot of other killings as well.

Why should I have to have an ID and register my guns? How does that make the world safer? How would registering my guns have prevented Virginia Tech? What other killings would've been stopped by registering my guns and getting an ID?

What crimes have been solved with the use of gun registration databases thus far?

[blurboEK]

You guys would still be able to keep your guns.
Not true, she is all in favor of a stricter version of the AWB.. so many people would have to get rid of/modify their "evil" looking weapons cause we all know they kill more people than "non-evil" looking weapons. :roll:


You would just have to get an ID and register them.
They would put in place a system to where you would need to go through the same motions as you do for a carry permit and the cost would probably be cost to the same. They then take a ballistic fingerprint of your gun and put it into a database that cost millions to upkeep. (just look at the one New York currently has and how much good it has done)


These chnages would make it harder for criminals to get guns and if you do that you have done a good job in protecting.
How so? How do you think criminals get their guns now? No anti-gun legislation will ever get rid of illegal gun trade/sales. Drugs are illegal.. does that stop millions from buying them on the street daily? nope..


Virginia Tech would not have happened if they had these laws enacted. I'm sure it would have stopped a lot of other killings as well.
doubtful.. know what could have stopped those shootings? law abiding citizens being able to carry a concealed firearm on school property..

[PPGMD]

You guys would still be able to keep your guns. You would just have to get an ID and register them. These chnages would make it harder for criminals to get guns and if you do that you have done a good job in protecting. Virginia Tech would not have happened if they had these laws enacted. I'm sure it would have stopped a lot of other killings as well.

Criminals don't exactly follow laws, so passing another law won't effect them. They will get their guns the same way they always do, buy one of the millions of guns already on the black market.

The NICS improvement act (which passed already) might have prevented VT, but even that is far fetched the person with a mental defect just needs to not get caught. Cho was considered only a threat to himself, and under the old law they aren't required to reported that to the NICS, but he already lied when he filled out the 4473 because it asks if you have ever been adjudicated with a mental defect.

Gun registration solves nothing, not even the in depth ones like in Maryland where they take a fired case and put it on file. That system costs the tax payers of Maryland millions every year, yet it has not solved a single crime. The average legal gun owner actually commits less crimes (even minor ones) then the general population. If I were going to kill someone would I use a gun that can be tracked to me in any way shape or form?

[25psi]

The best way to prevent Virginia Tech-style shootings is to allows college students to carry concealed weapons just like any other public place(assuming its a public college).

[PPGMD]

No personal attacks, attack the issue not the person bringing it up. We want to remain civil.

[Joe]

There are enough countries with gun registration and license laws.

Please give me one bit of proof that those countries have LESS VIOLENT CRIME then America.

If not, then you have made no point and will simply believe whatever the Brady Campaign will tell you. (Sheep)

[cepkda]

I don't think a republican will win this election as America wants a change. Bush did spend allot of money funding the war of oil , but you also have to toss the blame to the Banks and their stupid lending practices to people who shouldn't be given loans. I have to say Id much perfer to see Hilary in office than Barak Obama , but then agian I probally wont vote as I see no one i care for

[Joe]

I don't think a republican will win this election as America wants a change. Bush did spend allot of money funding the war of oil , but you also have to toss the blame to the Banks and their stupid lending practices to people who shouldn't be given loans. I have to say Id much perfer to see Hilary in office than Barak Obama , but then agian I probally wont vote as I see no one i care for

I find it interesting that so many people say they "want a change" but never add the needed part... "for the better".

Either way is a "change" as Bush is not (can't) run again.

Why change for the worse?

[Iroc Joe]

I don't think a republican will win this election as America wants a change. Bush did spend allot of money funding the war of oil , but you also have to toss the blame to the Banks and their stupid lending practices to people who shouldn't be given loans. I have to say Id much perfer to see Hilary in office than Barak Obama , but then agian I probally wont vote as I see no one i care for

1. I will never again bitch about taxes to fund public education.

2. Change? You are telling me you want to extend the two decades of control of the White House by two families? How, exactly, is that change?

[BigBadBuick]

Jesus Christ. This is a fun forum, I hope I don't hurt anyone's precious feelings or stray from the topic at hand. Delete this now, bye bye.

[Kryptix]

1. I will never again bitch about taxes to fund public education.

2. Change? You are telling me you want to extend the two decades of control of the White House by two families? How, exactly, is that change?

In response to your #1 statement :thumbsup:

For your second one, the argument for two decades of control in the white house by the CLintons and Bushes sounds good but it doesn't hold water. Both families have completely different philosophies on how to run this country. Do you think Bush wants to do anything for healthcare besides making it more private than it already is? How about Clinton? How about the issue of what to do with Iraq? Do you think Clinton would stay the course?

[Iroc Joe]

I don't care if they are polar opposites, In a country of 300 million, you want to extend control of the White House past 2 decades by TWO FAMILIES?

[Kryptix]

I don't care if they are polar opposites, In a country of 300 million, you want to extend control of the White House past 2 decades by TWO FAMILIES?

Well I still have the same answer for you. :) Considering how I think Clinton did a great job as president my answer is yes.

666th post FTW!

[jabtay]

Do you think Bush wants to do anything for healthcare besides making it more private than it already is?
Thats not the governments job...Find me one article in the Constitution that states, the Federal Government must supply health care, and social programs for the citizens. Anyone can get insurance, but most just want handouts.

[Notladstyle]

Well lets see, how did you get I said "the most corrupt people on earth"? Trying to do a little slant on this are we? the economy was trashed when he left office.

are you kidding me? theres was a 500 BILLION dollar SURPLUS... which bush promptly refunded in taxes and then charged up trilions more.

Theres a lotta things you can blame on clinton, budget is not one of them.

[25psi]

are you kidding me? theres was a 500 BILLION dollar SURPLUS...

Sorry, thats just wrong.

[BAMF]

Jesus Christ. This is a fun forum, I hope I don't hurt anyone's precious feelings or stray from the topic at hand. Delete this now, bye bye.

+1. Jesus Fucking Christ, lets all sit around a fire and roast marshmellows as wel calmly discuss our political differences or something. :lol:

[PPGMD]

Jesus Christ. This is a fun forum, I hope I don't hurt anyone's precious feelings or stray from the topic at hand. Delete this now, bye bye.

I deleted them and I agree with your feelings about the issue. You don't have to be friends just respect each others opinions. Just no name calling.

[Kryptix]

Sorry, thats just wrong.

Doesn't matter. Point being is that we had a surplus. Now we do not. Fiscal responsibility.

[SilentBob86]

Shut up and pay the $30g's you owe the govt for the iraq war!!!


You thought criminal/enemy combatant!!!!!


/sarcasm just in case nobody saw it coming ;)

[Kryptix]

Shut up and pay the $30g's you owe the govt for the iraq war!!!


You thought criminal/enemy combatant!!!!!


/sarcasm just in case nobody saw it coming ;)

Good point. Thank's for putting things in perspective. We all owe atleast $30,000 in taxes for this war. I think this thread has strayed far enough. If no one minds I'll close it because these are all seperate topics.