wow the dems are making history!!!!

[jabtay]

If I am not mistaken, this is the first time ever that both front runners have 0 military training or experience. Its no wonder why they dont understand whats happening in Iraq. I understand bill dogged the draft, i guess that opened the door wide open for this to happen. I mean at least Bush was military trained, even though he had a cake job. So our possible future commander and chief will control the worlds most powerful fighting force, and know know how to use them...

[BAMF]

Vote MCCain, keep Hillary out of office.

Or vote for your own canidate. I'd never tell you not to vote for your canidate of choice...but ya know...do what you can.

[jabtay]

Im voting for mccain unfortunately...a vote for other than him will put one of these 2 in office...plain and simple. Why does it come to this? why cant i have a nominee that i actually want to win???

[BAMF]

Im voting for mccain unfortunately...a vote for other than him will put one of these 2 in office...plain and simple. Why does it come to this? why cant i have a nominee that i actually want to win???

Eh, we'll survive with him in office. Just think happy thughts about the next eleciton. Maybe someone better will come in. Or, hell, he might prove to have half a head on his shoulders. You never know.

[SilentBob86]

Ugh...im writing in RP.

[jabtay]

Ugh...im writing in RP.
And the dems think you for that...Please dont throw your vote away

[BAMF]

Ugh...im writing in RP.

Votes are electronic. Try again. You can always not vote if you feel that strongly that you don't endorse any of the canidates. And Hillary will thank you for your silence instead of a vote to keep her OUT of office.

[Scott]

Good point on this, I guess I didnot put much thought into the Dem side of things. :lol:

If one of them wins I feel bad for the Republican that has to come in and clean up after them.

[Kryptix]

You don't have to have joined the military to be a great president.

[BAMF]

You don't have to have joined the military to be a great president.

But you have to be not a crazy socialist bitch.

[25psi]

Or, hell, he might prove to have half a head on his shoulders. You never know.

McCain would actually fight/veto in order to get a balanced budget. That right there is the main reason I am voting for him.

[BAMF]

Good point on this, I guess I didnot put much thought into the Dem side of things. :lol:

If one of them wins I feel bad for the Republican that has to come in and clean up after them.

Thats 12 years of cleanup they'd have to do. Cuz not even Hillary could fuck shit up as bad as Bush did. Our time will come, but I sure as shit hope it isn't this election. That'll fuck us over.

[Kryptix]

I'll be smiling when Hillary gets sworn in.

[jabtay]

We wouldnt expect anything else from you. Socialists flock together...

[PPGMD]

Thats 12 years of cleanup they'd have to do. Cuz not even Hillary could fuck shit up as bad as Bush did. Our time will come, but I sure as shit hope it isn't this election. That'll fuck us over.

You really think that, the Clintons have a different way of spending our country into oblivion.

[BAMF]

You really think that, the Clintons have a different way of spending our country into oblivion.

If by spending out country into oblivion, you mean the Omnibus Budget Recoincilliation Act, proposed by Bill Clinton, objected to by a lot of people, and responsible for balancing the budget on his watch, then sure, they have a different way ot spending our country into oblivion.

And I doubt Hillary is half the president Bill was. Really, aside from a few glaring character flaws, he did a pretty damn good job. Think about 99% of the mudslinging you heard about him..what does it center around? Sure, he's a dog, so are you and so am I. We're men. And if I was as smooth as him you better believe I'd put my skills to use.

But Hillary is crazy and would be horrible for us. However, as she would immediately end the war more than likely and scale back to ergular miliatry spending, I don't see how she could do as much damage as Bush has. Unless we get attacked. Which we would. And then she's puss out and try to make peace rather than counterstrike. And people would draw pictures of America with a vag instead of America with big, honking, clanking, overwhelming balls.

[BAMF]

I'll be smiling when Hillary gets sworn in.

Just make sure you recieve approval from the appropriate government agency as to what type of smile you're going to exhibit, be sure not to offend anyone, especially minorities, with how you exhibit your smile, and always make sure to give the appropriate 40% of your smile to those who are 'less privleged' than you.

[Joe]

If by spending out country into oblivion, you mean the Omnibus Budget Recoincilliation Act, proposed by Bill Clinton, objected to by a lot of people, and responsible for balancing the budget on his watch, then sure, they have a different way ot spending our country into oblivion.


Last I checked, the President doesn't put a bill into congress for a vote.

BTW here are some things that OBRA did "for the people" (standard democrat action, tax more.)

* It created 36 percent and 39.6 income tax rates for individuals.
* It created a 35 percent income tax rate for corporations.
* The cap on Medicare taxes was repealed.
* Transportation fuels taxes were hiked by 4.3 cents per gallon.
* The taxable portion of Social Security benefits was raised.
* The phase-out of the personal exemption and limit on itemized deductions were permanently extended.

[25psi]

Last I checked, the President doesn't put a bill into congress for a vote.

BTW here are some things that OBRA did "for the people" (standard democrat action, tax more.)

* It created 36 percent and 39.6 income tax rates for individuals.
* It created a 35 percent income tax rate for corporations.
* The cap on Medicare taxes was repealed.
* Transportation fuels taxes were hiked by 4.3 cents per gallon.
* The taxable portion of Social Security benefits was raised.
* The phase-out of the personal exemption and limit on itemized deductions were permanently extended.
I've actually seen some that argue this as evidence that tax hikes work. Ignoring the fact that it was implemented when we were in the Tech Boom.

[Topless T/A]

If I am not mistaken, this is the first time ever that both front runners have 0 military training or experience. Its no wonder why they dont understand whats happening in Iraq. I understand bill dogged the draft, i guess that opened the door wide open for this to happen. I mean at least Bush was military trained, even thought he had a cake job. So our possible future commander and chief will control the worlds most powerful fighting force, and know know how to use them...

Bush was also a cheerleader....the world's most powerful fighting force was controlled by a cheerleader, so no wonder Iraq is so fucked up :lol:

Do you see how stupid your argument is?

[BAMF]

Last I checked, the President doesn't put a bill into congress for a vote.

BTW here are some things that OBRA did "for the people" (standard democrat action, tax more.)

* It created 36 percent and 39.6 income tax rates for individuals.
* It created a 35 percent income tax rate for corporations.
* The cap on Medicare taxes was repealed.
* Transportation fuels taxes were hiked by 4.3 cents per gallon.
* The taxable portion of Social Security benefits was raised.
* The phase-out of the personal exemption and limit on itemized deductions were permanently extended.

Yeah, it raised taxes. Now quit trying to mislead people and list the budgets it cut in order to balance spending. Because if I have to fill that part in I'm going to berate you.

[BAMF]

I've actually seen some that argue this as evidence that tax hikes work. Ignoring the fact that it was implemented when we were in the Tech Boom.

I'm going to pistol whip the next person who says Tech boom.

[PPGMD]

If by spending out country into oblivion, you mean the Omnibus Budget Recoincilliation Act, proposed by Bill Clinton, objected to by a lot of people, and responsible for balancing the budget on his watch, then sure, they have a different way ot spending our country into oblivion.

No act is going to save us from the enormous costs of her health care programs.

And I doubt Hillary is half the president Bill was. Really, aside from a few glaring character flaws, he did a pretty damn good job. Think about 99% of the mudslinging you heard about him..what does it center around? Sure, he's a dog, so are you and so am I. We're men. And if I was as smooth as him you better believe I'd put my skills to use.

Honestly I could care less about his BJ and thought the investigation was pointless political pandering (and the democrats are just as guilty), but lying under oath to a Grand Jury is a serious offense.

[BAMF]

No act is going to save us from the enormous costs of her health care programs.

The reduction in military spending will more than make up for any possible increase in health care programs. Not to mention her healthcare program proposal is closer to effecient and effective than our current plan. Not saying I support her plan, but it IS closer to the right track.



Honestly I could care less about his BJ and thought the investigation was pointless political pandering (and the democrats are just as guilty), but lying under oath to a Grand Jury is a serious offense.

No doubt, but that should have never gone to them in the first place. That whole situation was retarded and cost us ridiculous amount of money that we shouldn't have spent just so people could find things to smear in his face.

[Joe]

The reduction in military spending will more than make up for any possible increase in health care programs.


Great... so we'd be the next Canada?:roll:

[BAMF]

Great... so we'd be the next Canada?:roll:

No, but maybe we could stop spending trillions on the "war" in Iraq? Think that might reduce our spending? You know, since the ENTIRE FUCKING DoD only has a 440 billion dollar budget.

[Topless T/A]

BAMF is right-on so far...even though he's gone to the dark-side for this election;)

You all refuse to admit that Bill Clinton was one of the best Presidents, in terms of policy, that there ever has been. Sure he got a BJ and lied under oath about it, which is a serious character flaw....he did however manage to find time to balance the budget, increase quality of living for everyone, and do countless good for the environmental aspects of our world. You all bitch about raising taxes so much, but you fail to realize that things cost money...I've yet to see a conservative give me a good explanation of where most of the money comes from to run government, without trying to skirt around the need for taxes. That's probably why that our debt is at unseen levels right now with a republican in office....get your heads out of your asses already.

[PPGMD]

No, but maybe we could stop spending trillions on the "war" in Iraq? Think that might reduce our spending? You know, since the ENTIRE FUCKING DoD only has a 440 billion dollar budget.

Actually the total cost of both wars is at $500 billion since 2001. The trillions is only when you include the yearly budget for the DOD.

Social Security and Medicare/Medicad (42%) take up twice as much of the budget as the DOD (20%).

[BAMF]

Actually the total cost of both wars is at $500 billion since 2001. The trillions is only when you include the yearly budget for the DOD.

Social Security and Medicare/Medicad (42%) take up twice as much of the budget as the DOD (20%).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/Fed-budget-2007-chart.GIF

Just so there are no discrepencies, if you think she'll cost us more in social welfare than she'll cut in miliatry spending, then thats just something we disagree on and cannot prove one way or another. And you sure about that total cost of both wars thus far? I'm not motivated to look, but I have a feeling its a bit more.

[PPGMD]

You all refuse to admit that Bill Clinton was one of the best Presidents, in terms of policy, that there ever has been.

Really how many of his campaign goals did he get done? Only one, he said that he would balance the tax structure (ie tax the rich more).

he did however manage to find time to balance the budget, increase quality of living for everyone, and do countless good for the environmental aspects of our world.

President Bush has funded more alternative energy programs then any President to date. The only difference is that he does it under the umbrella of energy independence rather then environmental reasons. I think an unbiased look at the Presidencies 50 years later will put President Bush ahead of President Clinton when it comes to the environment.

Now you want to talk about taxing, 53% of the 2007 budget goes to social programs. Add in another $9 billion in pork. The War in Iraq is winding down I think that in the next 5 years we can seriously reduce our combat presence (though I don't think troop numbers will go down as we will likely be granted bases there to replace the ones we had in Saudi Arabia). In the next few years I think out debt numbers will do down, now the question is, can both parties resist spending that money? Because they are both spending like Drunken Sailors.

We need to stop pork, and streamline our social spending. Where is that social money going? Why aren't the people leaving Welfare? Are they even trying to find jobs?

I honestly think that Clinton only balanced the budget to appeal to the moderate voters that went to Perot in 1992, because that wasn't one of his campaign pledges (raising taxes was, which he did in the same act).

[Scott]

BAMF is right-on so far...even though he's gone to the dark-side for this election;)

You all refuse to admit that Bill Clinton was one of the best Presidents, in terms of policy, that there ever has been. Sure he got a BJ and lied under oath about it, which is a serious character flaw....he did however manage to find time to balance the budget, increase quality of living for everyone, and do countless good for the environmental aspects of our world. You all bitch about raising taxes so much, but you fail to realize that things cost money...I've yet to see a conservative give me a good explanation of where most of the money comes from to run government, without trying to skirt around the need for taxes. That's probably why that our debt is at unseen levels right now with a republican in office....get your heads out of your asses already.


So Billy got a BJ, had impeachment hearings, and had the foreign policies rivaling Jimmy Carter but he balanced that budget ! :tard: :roll: Yeah who cares about that stuff, especially the ethical parts. He so-called balanced the budget because he eliminated a ton of military spending, of course we know where that got us regardless of what you want to deny. Funny how that gets overlooked in the grand scheme.

Our debt is high for many other reasons than any wars and Dems will never address that. Regardless of what party was in office over the past seven years it would have been record spending because of 9/11 alone, forget other things that have contributed.. But the difference is if the Dems were in there would have been record taxation on top of it all further strangling the economy and of course we would have never retaliated in the middle east and just would have passed the buck like Slick Willy to keep their legacy alive.

So I guess we should get our "heads out of our asses" and raise those taxes and that will pay things off ! :roll: Even though we have had record revenue intake through the IRS since the tax breaks, but I realize this is yet another concept Dems don't get.

[PPGMD]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/Fed-budget-2007-chart.GIF

Just so there are no discrepencies, if you think she'll cost us more in social welfare than she'll cut in miliatry spending, then thats just something we disagree on and cannot prove one way or another. And you sure about that total cost of both wars thus far? I'm not motivated to look, but I have a feeling its a bit more.

My chart has small differences (DOD spending is at 20%), but that clearly shows where are you going to cut, Medicare, Medicad, and the all the other current federal health programs are of limited scope, but it takes up 24% of the budget, imagine what would happen to the budget with national healthcare.

Yes I know one of her plans is to make jobs required to offer healthcare, then you know what is going to happen. They are going to pay their employee less, and take the pay difference and make that pay for their healthcare. Now the government gets less money because they collect less payroll taxes.

The military is only 19% of the budget, and both the Air Force, and the Navy are stream lining as they are becoming more technology less man power. So short of devastating the military there aren't that many cuts that it can take.

[BAMF]

So Billy got a BJ, had impeachment hearings, and had the foreign policies rivaling Jimmy Carter but he balanced that budget ! :tard: :roll: Yeah who cares about that stuff, especially the ethical parts. He so-called balanced the budget because he eliminated a ton of military spending, of course we know where that got us regardless of what you want to deny. Funny how that gets overlooked in the grand scheme.


He eleminated the remainder of cold-war military spending. He INCREASED miliatry R&D. He just scaled back what was left over from playing "my penis is bigger" with Russia. You don't like scaling back the military to peacetime levels? PAy mroe taxes. Or go bankrupt. Why don't you read about what he actually did to the military from a credible source. If it can penetrate your thick skull, you'll be quite surprised.


Our debt is high for many other reasons than any wars and Dems will never address that. Regardless of what party was in office over the past seven years it would have been record spending because of 9/11 alone, forget other things that have contributed.. But the difference is if the Dems were in there would have been record taxation on top of it all further strangling the economy and of course we would have never retaliated in the middle east and just would have passed the buck like Slick Willy to keep their legacy alive.


Our debt is high because we've been operating in the red for over 90% of our modern history. Neither party is solely at fault for this. They've both been assholes, and once in a while a shining star that comes along and balances the budget and gives us a good plan to get back into the black, then some other asshole comes in and screws it all up.


So I guess we should get our "heads out of our asses" and raise those taxes and that will pay things off ! :roll: Even though we have had record revenue intake through the IRS since the tax breaks, but I realize this is yet another concept Dems don't get.

Why don't Dems get this concept? I have a Democrat friend who has a PhD in Economics. I guarentee he understands it far better than you. In addition, I guarentee he coudl run circles around you in any tax or economic subject you want to discuss with him. Stop trying to stir shit.

[Scott]

He eleminated the remainder of cold-war military spending. He INCREASED miliatry R&D. He just scaled back what was left over from playing "my penis is bigger" with Russia. You don't like scaling back the military to peacetime levels? PAy mroe taxes. Or go bankrupt. Why don't you read about what he actually did to the military from a credible source. If it can penetrate your thick skull, you'll be quite surprised.


You mention credible sources and then post some absolutely incorrect ramblings about what slick did in the 90's. Want to back up your claims or be the pot or kettle ? My father was active duty then and told me first hand how the Dems at the time were wrecking the military and it had little to do with cold war stuff so save it. What were you 5 years old then ? Big military cut backs is the reason I did not enlist and why enlisting became a bigger issue overall. When I was a kid we could go to the Dr. and get whatever ( no cosmetic or stuff like that ) we needed done and there was no bill to pay. After Billy got in to power our military personnel had a lot more bills to pay due to his cuts. Complete bullshit. That is the tip of the iceberg.

'He also downsized the strength levels, base closures to offset the budget. We got a 1.5 % pay increase when inflation was just below 3%, and many of my men were forced to get help via WIC and food stamps. I don't think you want to see your military in the food stamp line when they are defending your freedoms.'




Our debt is high because we've been operating in the red for over 90% of our modern history. Neither party is solely at fault for this.

You need to speak to the comrads about this, they seem to not understand this. And balancing the budget is not making us debt free either. These two things seemingly get run together by every person out there that says slick balanced the budget.

Was Bush in office let alone just Republicans all this time ?

http://www.heritage.org/research/features/BudgetChartBook/images/charts_C/C-1.gif

http://www.heritage.org/research/features/BudgetChartBook/charts_C/c1.cfm





Why don't Dems get this concept? I have a Democrat friend who has a PhD in Economics. I guarentee he understands it far better than you. In addition, I guarentee he coudl run circles around you in any tax or economic subject you want to discuss with him. Stop trying to stir shit.


Wow you have a lot of friends with PHd's and are experts in a lot of fields ! If so I would certainly hope he would understand it better than me. :lmao: What was the factual thing here again ? Oh yeah tax revenues are at all time highs since the tax cuts.

Here, I found a article from the most commy rag on the planet and even they are talking about the high revenue intake. The article was from 2006 and we have set records every quarter since then on tax revenues.

The more amazing part is the say spending was also way up due to the war in Iraq and HURRICANE RELIEF. :-o That damn Bush and his weather machine.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/washington/09econ.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Tax revenues are climbing twice as fast as the administration predicted in February, so fast that the budget deficit could actually decline this year.

The main reason is a big spike in corporate tax receipts, which have nearly tripled since 2003, as well as what appears to be a big increase in individual taxes on stock market profits and executive bonuses.



Hmmm, so corporations got taxed less and made more revenue after the tax cuts ? Holy shit call that PHd guy you know. :lmao:

[jabtay]

If I am not mistaken, this is the first time ever that both front runners have 0 military training or experience. Its no wonder why they dont understand whats happening in Iraq. I understand bill dogged the draft, i guess that opened the door wide open for this to happen. I mean at least Bush was military trained, even though he had a cake job. So our possible future commander and chief will control the worlds most powerful fighting force, and know know how to use them...


Bush was also a cheerleader....the world's most powerful fighting force was controlled by a cheerleader, so no wonder Iraq is so fucked up :lol:

Do you see how stupid your argument is?
I guess you dont know how to read very well. :crack: What relivence does his college years activities have on his presidential term?

[BAMF]

I guess you dont know how to read very well. :crack: What relivence does his college years activities have on his presidential term?

I have about 2% more respect for what Bush did than what Clinton did. Seriously. They're both 'draft dodgers' when you get right down to it. And don't get me wrong, I fault them both for it very much. But, well, Ozzy said it best.

Politicians hide themselves away
they only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor

[moldyhands]

Bush was also a cheerleader....the world's most powerful fighting force was controlled by a cheerleader, so no wonder Iraq is so fucked up :lol:

Do you see how stupid your argument is?
for the life of me i cannot figure out why the dems never got a picture of him and plastered it all over the net.

I guess you dont know how to read very well. :crack: What relivence does his college years activities have on his presidential term?because male cheerleaders are fairies. there, i said it. now if you like having a fairy running your military that's fine. i don't care one way or another, but being a cheerleader makes you a nancy-boy for life.

[SilentBob86]

Votes are electronic. Try again. You can always not vote if you feel that strongly that you don't endorse any of the canidates. And Hillary will thank you for your silence instead of a vote to keep her OUT of office.
actually...i live in a town of like 1300. They have this cool antiques box with a brass crank and you put your vote in a slot and they turn the crank and it makes this cool racheting noise. But yeah, writing in rp :D. Or maybe ill vote for thompson..:lmao:

[jabtay]

I have about 2% more respect for what Bush did than what Clinton did. Seriously. They're both 'draft dodgers' when you get right down to it.
Thats not what i was getting at though. I said he was military trained...which he was.

[Josh]

You all refuse to admit that Bill Clinton was one of the best Presidents, in terms of policy, that there ever has been.

that's a pretty broad statement - there have been plenty of presidents who are better than bill - for instance - FDR - but again, that's opinion. you're just trying to cram opinion down people's throats. anyone with 1/2 a brain stem knows opinion from fact. we understand that you like clinton, and you feel as though he did a lot of good for the country - but you have to look at the other side of the coin too and separate fact from opinion.

[Topless T/A]

that's a pretty broad statement - there have been plenty of presidents who are better than bill - for instance - FDR - but again, that's opinion. you're just trying to cram opinion down people's throats. anyone with 1/2 a brain stem knows opinion from fact. we understand that you like clinton, and you feel as though he did a lot of good for the country - but you have to look at the other side of the coin too and separate fact from opinion.

no it's fact AND opinion...FDR was great as well, but Bill has been one of the better ones in a long time...especially compared to who he's sandwiched between.

[BAMF]

no it's fact AND opinion...FDR was great as well, but Bill has been one of the better ones in a long time...especially compared to who he's sandwiched between.

Sr. wasn't a bad president either.

[Topless T/A]

Sr. wasn't a bad president either.\

he wasn't great though either...he pulled the same Iraq shit that his offspring did, but he didn't even get saddam.

[PPGMD]

he wasn't great though either...he pulled the same Iraq shit that his offspring did, but he didn't even get saddam.

Same Iraq shit? I hope your joking. I don't see you criticizing Clinton over Somolia, Kosovo, or his useless cruise missile attacks in Iraq.

Anyways Clinton didn't get much done, he pretty much just held the office. I think that JFK did more in his 2 years in office then Clinton got done in 8 years.

[Topless T/A]

Same Iraq shit? I hope your joking. I don't see you criticizing Clinton over Somolia, Kosovo, or his useless cruise missile attacks in Iraq.

Anyways Clinton didn't get much done, he pretty much just held the office. I think that JFK did more in his 2 years in office then Clinton got done in 8 years.


how can you seriously say that Clinton didn't get much done? I mean all political influences and party-bias aside, just as a standard person, how can you actually say that and believe it?

[jabtay]

how can you seriously say that Clinton didn't get much done? I mean all political influences and party-bias aside, just as a standard person, how can you actually say that and believe it?
Yeah...we dont look at him through rose colored glasses, like some often do.

[PPGMD]

how can you seriously say that Clinton didn't get much done? I mean all political influences and party-bias aside, just as a standard person, how can you actually say that and believe it?

Because he didn't, he made one or two major policy changes, passed one or two major pieces of legislation (he signs another half dozen but those were pushed by congress not the White House), and made two supreme court appointments.

Like him or not Bush got more done his first term. It's (relatively) easy to be the President during a good economy and during general global peace.

[Topless T/A]

Because he didn't, he made one or two major policy changes, passed one or two major pieces of legislation (he signs another half dozen but those were pushed by congress not the White House), and made two supreme court appointments.

Like him or not Bush got more done his first term. It's (relatively) easy to be the President during a good economy and during general global peace.

Here's a good starting point for you and your boys to get your facts straight....

http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/jobwelldone.html

You'll notice some key terms like "Longest Economic Expansion in U.S. History" and "Unemployment is the Lowest in Over Three Decades" and "Lowest Federal Spending as a Share of the Economy Since 1966" and "Lowest Percentage of Americans on Welfare in 35 Years".......all terrible, liberal accomplishments.

[PPGMD]

Here's a good starting point for you and your boys to get your facts straight....

http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/jobwelldone.html

You'll notice some key terms like "Longest Economic Expansion in U.S. History" and "Unemployment is the Lowest in Over Three Decades" and "Lowest Federal Spending as a Share of the Economy Since 1966" and "Lowest Percentage of Americans on Welfare in 35 Years".......all terrible, liberal accomplishments.

"Lowest Percentage of Americans on Welfare in 35 Years" Bill was a big fan of welfare reform, oh wait he vetoed that legislation twice, he only signed it because congress threatened to override the veto. Also since he was a period of extreme low unemployment (something the Oval office has little control of), and combine it with the requirement of Welfare reform to attempt to seek jobs, it's only natural that more people exit the program.

"Lowest Federal Spending as a Share of the Economy Since 1966" It's also the years after the Cold War in a period of slashing the military budget, and an artificially inflated economy.

"Longest Economic Expansion in U.S. History"
"Unemployment is the Lowest in Over Three Decades" Both items he has little to no control over.

I look at his election promises and see what he passed, and what other major legislation he proposed or at least was the major supporter of. Combine that with policy changes that he made in office.

He didn't get all that much done, I detailed it out a couple of weeks ago, I will see if I can dig it up

[Iroc Joe]

he wasn't great though either...he pulled the same Iraq shit that his offspring did, but he didn't even get saddam.

Participating in a worldwide UN resolution != unilateral preemptive activity. Jesus man, how did you fall off the wagon of logic this past couple of weeks? Maybe you should take some time off?

Second, no matter how many "facts" you give to back up your opinion, it will always be an opinion. Facts are not qualitative, we learned this in elementary school. Some of us do not agree with Clinton's ideology, his half-assed foreign policy that made a mockery of dead American soldiers, and his destruction of American small arms that could have been sold back to the American public since we paid for them in the first place. I mean Jesus Christ, it wouldn't surprise me if Madeline Albright stuffed the nuclear reactors up her cunt and hand delivered them to North Korea.

You want to talk about radical Muslims hating America for sticking our fucking noses in their business? Another straw on the camel's back (no pun intended) to 9/11? How about a statement where Albright (you know, Clinton's Secretary of State) calmly asserted on 60 Minutes in 1996 that sanctions on Iraq are worth the lives of more than half a million children, more children than died in Hiroshima. That was very widely printed in the Muslim press, and certainly did not help. So before we go bitching about how Bush has gotten us into some "Iraq shit," let's no forget your illustrious leader certainly toed the line of sticking our noses where we don't belong and helped contribute to the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

[Scott]

Participating in a worldwide UN resolution != unilateral preemptive activity. Jesus man, how did you fall off the wagon of logic this past couple of weeks? Maybe you should take some time off?

Second, no matter how many "facts" you give to back up your opinion, it will always be an opinion. Facts are not qualitative, we learned this in elementary school. Some of us do not agree with Clinton's ideology, his half-assed foreign policy that made a mockery of dead American soldiers, and his destruction of American small arms that could have been sold back to the American public since we paid for them in the first place. I mean Jesus Christ, it wouldn't surprise me if Madeline Albright stuffed the nuclear reactors up her cunt and hand delivered them to North Korea.

You want to talk about radical Muslims hating America for sticking our fucking noses in their business? Another straw on the camel's back (no pun intended) to 9/11? How about a statement where Albright (you know, Clinton's Secretary of State) calmly asserted on 60 Minutes in 1996 that sanctions on Iraq are worth the lives of more than half a million children, more children than died in Hiroshima. That was very widely printed in the Muslim press, and certainly did not help. So before we go bitching about how Bush has gotten us into some "Iraq shit," let's no forget your illustrious leader certainly toed the line of sticking our noses where we don't belong and helped contribute to the 9/11 terrorist attacks.



Looks like the crickets came back. :lol:

Well said Joe, we seem to have the same opinion that the libs do not like to hear about slick Willy. Good thing he has always had the press on his side or these would have been made bigger issues.

And we did not even have to mention Bosnia or Somalia which is the topic Bin Laden has been quoted on several times as the moment in time that emboldened him to go after America after we cut and run at the first sight of blood.

[jabtay]

If Obama was to become President (which I hope not) Same thing will happen, because he is a good speaker, but not a leader. Some people fall for anything he says...socialist or not.

[25psi]

no it's fact AND opinion...FDR was great as well, but Bill has been one of the better ones in a long time...especially compared to who he's sandwiched between.
FDR was a good leader during WWII, the New Deal wasn't all that great though.

[rainmkr]

As much as the new deal's legacy has caused issues now, it probably saved the country at the time. I don't think any of us have a concept on how shitty the Great Depression was, I ask my grandma about it sometimes, but she was so young it didn't leave a huge mark on her life. Nowadays we piss and moan about recessions and how our houses don't appreciate as much, this is nothing on the scale of what it was like back then.

Playing armchair QB is easy though these days :)

[25psi]

As much as the new deal's legacy has caused issues now, it probably saved the country at the time. I don't think any of us have a concept on how shitty the Great Depression was, I ask my grandma about it sometimes, but she was so young it didn't leave a huge mark on her life. Nowadays we piss and moan about recessions and how our houses don't appreciate as much, this is nothing on the scale of what it was like back then.

Playing armchair QB is easy though these days :)

Depressions suck, though many economists believe the Great Depression could of been mostly averted with sound monetary policy, there still would of been at the least a recession but nothing to the scale that it was. Monetary policy was still in its infancy at the time and the Fed made the fatal mistake of actually tightning the money supply when they should of persued easy money policies.

[PPGMD]

The New Deal only made people feel better about being poor, it gave them jobs and just enough money to buy food. It was WWII that brought the whole world out of the Great Depression.