Problems with Obama?

[Topless T/A]

Now that Obama is the front runner, do you all have the same hatred for him as Hillary?

Would some of you who we're going to vote for Mccain just because he's not Hillary, consider voting for Obama now?

[Iroc Joe]

He is actually worse than Hillary, and I cringe to say that. Did anyone see the video of one of his campaign headquarters in Miami? On the wall was a Cuban flag with the face of Che Guevara. That's whose ideology I want in the White House. :rolleyes:

[Topless T/A]

He is actually worse than Hillary, and I cringe to say that. Did anyone see the video of one of his campaign headquarters in Miami? On the wall was a Cuban flag with the face of Che Guevara. That's whose ideology I want in the White House. :rolleyes:

seriously? I have not seen the video, but you're talking about Miami here....I would assume that Obama himself did not put the cuban flag up, but one of his supporters did. I don't know if you've ever spent any kind of extended time in Miami, but there's probrably more cuban flags than American flags around (which is a shame, but that's a whole other story). I don't understand how, policy wise, that you would think Obama is worse than Hillary, the spawn of satan herself?

[25psi]

If it came down to those two I would choose Obama any day. Their policies really aren't that much different, but all Hillary talks about are how evil Republicans are. At least Obama says he wants to unite people.

[rainmkr]

He is actually worse than Hillary, and I cringe to say that. Did anyone see the video of one of his campaign headquarters in Miami? On the wall was a Cuban flag with the face of Che Guevara. That's whose ideology I want in the White House. :rolleyes:

HOUSTON, it was HOUSTON.

As a Ron Paul supporter myself, I find it of the UTMOST hypocrisy that people even try that shit against other candidates. After hearing so much bullshit about how Ron Paul is a racist because some polesmoker from Stormfront decides to donate to his campaign.

I support a man with a message not the loons who decide they want him too.

[BareLy UgLy]

HOUSTON, it was HOUSTON.

As a Ron Paul supporter myself, I find it of the UTMOST hypocrisy that people even try that shit against other candidates. After hearing so much bullshit about how Ron Paul is a racist because some polesmoker from Stormfront decides to donate to his campaign.

I support a man with a message not the loons who decide they want him too.

candidates with a message they believe in don't give in to loons and shouldn't accept donations from groups they consider loons.

this is exactly how the pharmaceutical industry, who i feel is the devil, gets to strong candidates.

[rainmkr]

You are talking about thousands and possibly MILLIONS of donors here. Do you not comprehend how hard it would be to keep tabs on that kind of thing? You're better off having everyone pay a .01 tax on purchases on election year to just let the fed provide all campaign funds for the top 10 candidates.

[Scott]

seriously? I have not seen the video, but you're talking about Miami here....I would assume that Obama himself did not put the cuban flag up, but one of his supporters did. I don't know if you've ever spent any kind of extended time in Miami, but there's probrably more cuban flags than American flags around (which is a shame, but that's a whole other story). I don't understand how, policy wise, that you would think Obama is worse than Hillary, the spawn of satan herself?



So you are making excuses for him ?

One would think if you are running for President you or your handlers would make damn sure things like this are not around if you are against it and know people are snapping photos 24/7. Even if it was one of his supporters as you stated do you want someone running for our President associated with people like this ?

Obama is as scary if not more than Billary.

He has no experience, he is all about social programs ( dare I say socialism ) and has no problem blowing our sovereignty on helping the rest of the world's poor.

So yeah I have a problem with him.


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[Topless T/A]

I'm not making excuses for him, I'm just saying that I'm sure he's not a radical cuban supporter. I agree that they should be more careful about what they have hanging around his political offices, for sure.....in fact, they should take that shit down.

Bowing our sovereignty? Where do you all come up with this crap? Helping the world's poor is such a terrible thing to do too....I forgot that we as members of the human race are only supposed to worry about ourselves.

[SilentBob86]

fuch 'em both, they still use paper ballots up here. Im casting my, "fuck you" vote.

WOO RP '08!

[Scott]

I'm not making excuses for him, I'm just saying that I'm sure he's not a radical cuban supporter. I agree that they should be more careful about what they have hanging around his political offices, for sure.....in fact, they should take that shit down.

Bowing our sovereignty? Where do you all come up with this crap? Helping the world's poor is such a terrible thing to do too....I forgot that we as members of the human race are only supposed to worry about ourselves.


Your not making excuses but you are "sure" he is not a radical Cuban supporter? More assumptions and opinions eh ? I hope you are right. I will not even claim he is or isn't and I am supposed to be in the party of hate.

As far as sovereignty goes. You can lead a horse to water but can not teach it to drink. I do not expect you to realize how our sovereignty is and will continue to be eroded by thinking we need to be the world nanny. Help once and a while sure. Aid every hungry and destitute country ? Nope. I also understand that most libs think the U.S. should not be a lone superpower and because we are it entitles us to help everyone. No thanks because the majority of the rest of the world throws us under the bus at every chance. And before you even go there it was long before the Iraq war.

[BAMF]

Hey Scott, just like our personal desires go in steps (you're famillar with the pyramid I'm talking about, right?), our politicians' values go in steps.

The lowest step is "freedoms". Elect politicians to make up a government that doesn't care about your rights and freedoms, and it won't really matter if you get to keep more of your paychecks and spit on homeless people.

[Scott]

The lowest step is "freedoms". Elect politicians to make up a government that doesn't care about your rights and freedoms, and it won't really matter if you get to keep more of your paychecks and spit on homeless people.


And in another thread you are supporting socialism ? :dunno: Well I guess with socialism there would not be any homeless because the government would pilfer enough from those that do well for themselves to give proper support to those that don't.

Sounds good ! :crack:

[BAMF]

And in another thread you are supporting socialism ? :dunno: Well I guess with socialism there would not be any homeless because the government would pilfer enough from those that do well for themselves to give proper support to those that don't.

Sounds good ! :crack:

I'm supporting socialism over a totalitarianism. Lets see, a misquote a few days ago and now you're twisting my words to try and look like you have a valid point to make and didn't just make a completely ignorant statement?

Fox called. They want you as a news anchor.

[Scott]

I'm supporting socialism over a totalitarianism. Lets see, a misquote a few days ago and now you're twisting my words to try and look like you have a valid point to make and didn't just make a completely ignorant statement?

Fox called. They want you as a news anchor.



A few days ago ?

http://www.tampaforums.com/forums/election-08/yay-intelligence-bill-passes-we-lose-more-freedoms-317882/#post3616762

Looks like today you were talking about this.

Ah yes the favorite pun when a Republican is making points, bring in the Fox comments. You missed it though and should have called it Faux.

But for the record I have rarely quoted or linked to anything Fox for the simple fact that this is a easy way out or a way to change the topic when some lib does not want to talk about something. That and I read almost all my news from Reuters. It is pretty free of bias.

[Topless T/A]

so what I've gathered so far is that very few of you can come up with a reason to not like Obama, other than he's a liberal and has supporters of cuban decent? :lol:

[BAMF]

A few days ago ?

http://www.tampaforums.com/forums/election-08/yay-intelligence-bill-passes-we-lose-more-freedoms-317882/#post3616762

Looks like today you were talking about this.

Ah yes the favorite pun when a Republican is making points, bring in the Fox comments. You missed it though and should have called it Faux.

But for the record I have rarely quoted or linked to anything Fox for the simple fact that this is a easy way out or a way to change the topic when some lib does not want to talk about something. That and I read almost all my news from Reuters. It is pretty free of bias.


The misquote I was referring to was when you quoted me as saying I wanted hillary to die in a plane crash. What you jsut did today was just a blatent twisting of my words. Hence, the Fox comment. It had nothing to do with the fact that you're a Republican (By the way, are you CAPABLE of having any type of debate besides Republican/Democrat pissing matches?), it just has to do with the fact that Fox has shady and haphazard standards.

[Scott]

The misquote I was referring to was when you quoted me as saying I wanted hillary to die in a plane crash. What you jsut did today was just a blatent twisting of my words. Hence, the Fox comment. It had nothing to do with the fact that you're a Republican (By the way, are you CAPABLE of having any type of debate besides Republican/Democrat pissing matches?), it just has to do with the fact that Fox has shady and haphazard standards.



Get over the plane crash thing there jr.. I posted that it was Joe and not you. Plus who gives a shit about something so trivial anyway. This is where you get lost on things just like you are now.

Pissing matches ? You read your posts today ? :lol:

Are all of these threads not seeded in Repub / Dem arguments ?

Now back to Obama and how bad he sucks. :P

[Billy]

I've never liked Clinton or Obama as candidates, that hasn't changed just because a new leader has come out in the polls.

[moldyhands]

obama has been my favorite for a while and is light years better than mccain on civil liberties. i like socialism - so go obama. i like che guevera. he believed in socialism over totalitarianism.

and i love the lack of experience comments. if there's not enough experience, they just cannot dig up dirt on you.

[25psi]

i like che guevera. he believed in socialism over totalitarianism.


How is Guevera NOT a totalitarian, he killed people that didn't agree with him. How is force is the name of a socialist autocrat state ANY different from a fascist agenda.


The Nazi party was the Socialist Worker's Party.

[whitebread]

How is Guevera NOT a totalitarian
ya, he doesn't like mccain because he isn't strong enough on civil liberties, but he likes che guevera. that isn't consistent. just look at what the liberal-leaning Slate said about him:
Che was a totalitarian....Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" system—the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims.
http://www.slate.com/id/2107100/

[Tackleberry]

doesnt osama refuse to say the pledge of allegiance or something related to that topic?

im not voting for the fucker.

[dink921]

doesnt osama refuse to say the pledge of allegiance or something related to that topic?

im not voting for the fucker.

im def. not pro-osama, but that wasn't the deal.. it was the national anthem..... he stood, but didnt place hand over heart. ....but i guess a lot of people consider the hand over heart optional for our anthem, i personally disagree, but eh.. thats what that was 'bout.

[jabtay]

Other than he is a Socialist, I dont have a problem with the guy.

[Joe]

To those that say they "like socialism"... can you find me one country where the general population is "doing good" in a socialist country?

Seriously... list one....

[juke]

To those that say they "like socialism"... can you find me one country where the general population is "doing good" in a socialist country?

Seriously... list one....

Can you list the criteria that defines "doing good" for people? What may be considered "doing good" is vastly different from person to person.

[TIM TIM TIM]

Isnt he a muslim?

[Topless T/A]

Yes he's a muslim, but that doesn't mean that he's going to hijack a plane and fly it into a building either....believe it or not there are some good Muslims out there. I'd much rather have a Muslim in office than some bible-banger like Huckabee.

[TIM TIM TIM]

:lol: there are people here voting for a muslim to be our president. :lol: No offense to muslims, I know there not all bad or anything but to trust one enough to make him the head of the country? call me racist but damn thats stupid. Didnt we sell them a bunch of our ports or something a while ago too?

[Topless T/A]

:lol: there are people here voting for a muslim to be our president. :lol: No offense to muslims, I know there not all bad or anything but to trust one enough to make him the head of the country? call me racist but damn thats stupid. Didnt we sell them a bunch of our ports or something a while ago too?

it's not racist, but it's ignorant...you make it sound like he has bin Laden on speed-dial or something.

[Fatalia]

it's not racist, but it's ignorant...you make it sound like he has bin Laden on speed-dial or something.

I don't think he made it out to be ignorant. Just didn't explain in it the right way.

I totally agree with the fact of voting in a muslim president would be wrong on several levels.

They are still being patted down at airports and looked down upon in all forms of society. People still hold some fear from them because of what has happened.

Putting one in office, especially in such a high position, the HIGHEST position in our country would make him not only the spot light for the next four years, but hated by alot of people in this country because of what he is, not who he is. People will fear the deicisions that are put in front of him, and people would question his every move. Not to mention the fact that he may get assassinated by the true racists in our country.

Just a bad idea in my book. I'd vote for Hillary just to keep him out of office.

[TIM TIM TIM]

who is to say he doesnt? I just think people are so easily fooled. I dont know, this guy could be the best president we have ever had (doubt it though) but I just really dont trust people at all, I want the person who is the least likely to have anything to do with a group that is out to destroy our lives. If he was just a black man running for president with good values I would have nothing against it, even a women (if it wasn't Hillary). I just think its a bad idea, asking for disaster.

[TIM TIM TIM]

I don't think he made it out to be ignorant. Just didn't explain in it the right way.

I totally agree with the fact of voting in a muslim president would be wrong on several levels.

They are still being patted down at airports and looked down upon in all forms of society. People still hold some fear from them because of what has happened.

Putting one in office, especially in such a high position, the HIGHEST position in our country would make him not only the spot light for the next four years, but hated by alot of people in this country because of what he is, not who he is. People will fear the deicisions that are put in front of him, and people would question his every move. Not to mention the fact that he may get assassinated by the true racists in our country.

Just a bad idea in my book. I'd vote for Hillary just to keep him out of office.

+1, although I wont vote for her either :lol: (not because she is a lady, I just think she is retarded).

[05 TypeS DC5]

it's not racist, but it's ignorant...you make it sound like he has bin Laden on speed-dial or something.

+1= i judge by content of charecter not religion... besides this country was built on diversity. "the ideology of including people of diverse cultural and religious backgrounds "

[TIM TIM TIM]

lets find a jew or something then. Why someone who believes in the same religion as the people who killed THOUSANDS of Americans on a single day.

[Topless T/A]

lets find a jew or something then. Why someone who believes in the same religion as the people who killed THOUSANDS of Americans on a single day.

yeh but not everybody in that religion feels the same way...I mean I'm obviously a liberal, but I also think that we should carpet-bomb 95% of the middle-east and start over. Just because Obama's a muslim, doesn't mean that he wants or supports mass killings of Americans.

[TIM TIM TIM]

No, it doesn't mean that. What do you think there is a higher chance of. Obama taking there side, or Hillary taking there side (just used Hillary since she is a pretty equal contender)

[Tackleberry]

im def. not pro-osama, but that wasn't the deal.. it was the national anthem..... he stood, but didnt place hand over heart. ....but i guess a lot of people consider the hand over heart optional for our anthem, i personally disagree, but eh.. thats what that was 'bout.

i knew it was something along those lines...fuck him. he should be doing it. he wants to be the leader of the free world, follow along with everything that comes with it. dont be that craphead outcast fucktard type that wants to change things for that minority amount in this country and change americas fucking traditional ways. seems like todays traditions is to fuck all real traditions.

[Tackleberry]

Yes he's a muslim, but that doesn't mean that he's going to hijack a plane and fly it into a building either....believe it or not there are some good Muslims out there. I'd much rather have a Muslim in office than some bible-banger like Huckabee.
i rather have the bible banger type over a muslim as our president any day

[Topless T/A]

No, it doesn't mean that. What do you think there is a higher chance of. Obama taking there side, or Hillary taking there side (just used Hillary since she is a pretty equal contender)

there's no chance of either of them taking their side, that's my point....I'm not trying to single you out, but it's really sad when people won't vote for someone just because he carries the same religion as some of our enemies. It sounds stupid, but I guess we shouldn't have voted for Bush solely on the fact that he lived in a Desert ecosystem (Texas) just like bin Laden....like I said it sounds stupid, and that's my point.

[TIM TIM TIM]

i knew it was something along those lines...fuck him. he should be doing it. he wants to be the leader of the free world, follow along with everything that comes with it. dont be that craphead outcast fucktard type that wants to change things for that minority amount in this country and change americas fucking traditional ways. seems like todays traditions is to fuck all real traditions.

:blackeye:

[TIM TIM TIM]

there's no chance of either of them taking their side, that's my point....I'm not trying to single you out, but it's really sad when people won't vote for someone just because he carries the same religion as some of our enemies. It sounds stupid, but I guess we shouldn't have voted for Bush solely on the fact that he lived in a Desert ecosystem (Texas) just like bin Laden....like I said it sounds stupid, and that's my point.

I wanted gore to win... I understand what you mean completely, I just dont agree with it. To alot of people his race and religion is no big deal. His race doesn't matter to me, but his religion does. I will not support someone who has the same morals and beliefs as them.

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

I don't like most of his politics.

I also think he is an arrogant prick.

[dink921]

Yes he's a muslim, but that doesn't mean that he's going to hijack a plane and fly it into a building either....believe it or not there are some good Muslims out there. I'd much rather have a Muslim in office than some bible-banger like Huckabee.

no hes not. hes a Christian. (doesnt make him any better than if he were a Muslim)

[TIM TIM TIM]

where do you get your info dink. I could have sworn, and most other would probably agree he is a muslim

[dink921]

"Let's make clear what the facts are: I am a Christian. I have been sworn in with a Bible. I pledge allegiance [to the American flag] and lead the pledge of allegiance sometimes in the United States Senate when I'm presiding."

Mr Obama is a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ and is an actively practising Christian. But opponents, particularly on the Republican side, delight in reminding people that his middle name is Hussein, taken from his father, a Harvard educated economist who left the family when Mr Obama was two. - STORY (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3194740.ece)

MSNBC STORY (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22767392/)

WASHINGTON POST STORY (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/28/AR2007112802757.html?hpid=topnews)

would u like more? just because "most people swear something" doesnt make it true.

[Topless T/A]

well shit....apparently I, and almost everyone else int his thread, need to back up and re-educate ourselves. I just did a little in-depth reading, and even though his dad was a Muslim and his mother didn't support any particular religion, Obama went to Catholic school for a few years and considers himself a practicing Christian. Apparently the propaganda machine has been riding this "Muslim" angle for a while now.

Thanks Dink for pointing that out.

[BAMF]

Damn, I just learned something new. Thumbs up.

[jabtay]

well shit....apparently I, and almost everyone else int his thread, need to back up and re-educate ourselves. I just did a little in-depth reading, and even though his dad was a Muslim and his mother didn't support any particular religion, Obama went to Catholic school for a few years and considers himself a practicing Christian. Apparently the propaganda machine has been riding this "Muslim" angle for a while now.

Thanks Dink for pointing that out.
Haha...i was going to make you eat your earlier words, but I was beat to it. Also I have not heard him called a Muslim in a long time.

[dink921]

no prob.. :) This election season is dirty.... i kept hearing he was a muslim and decided to find out... cuz if he was a muslim, i was going to be a hardcore ANTI-osama... but since hes not.. eh... i still don't want him as president lol i agree with tackleberry i think hes an arrogant SOB.

EDIT: i think OBAMA is the arrogant SOB ... lol.. wanted to make sure that came out right...

ANOTHER EDIT: ok wait, tackleberry is an arrogant SOB too.. :) j/k... i agree with most of ur views
ANOTHER ANOTHER EDIT: ok it was chuck that called him arrogant.. so i agree with chuck, but i still agree with most of tackleberrys view and still think hes an arrogant SOB too:lmao:

[Topless T/A]

so all of you that said you wouldn't vote for him because he's a Muslim, do you have another angle now?

[m0nk3y]

seriously? I have not seen the video, but you're talking about Miami here....I would assume that Obama himself did not put the cuban flag up, but one of his supporters did.

...and Ron Paul never authorized the letter you love to harp on supporters about... Let's be fair- If you contend that Paul is responsible for the newsletter, Obama is responsible for the flag.

[jabtay]

so all of you that said you wouldn't vote for him because he's a Muslim, do you have another angle now?
I knew he wasnt Muslim, and I still wont vote for him :D

[Fatalia]

so all of you that said you wouldn't vote for him because he's a Muslim, do you have another angle now?

A muslim against America will say anything to become president and kill us all!! :squint:








:lol:

[TIM TIM TIM]

A muslim against America will say anything to become president and kill us all!! :squint:








:lol:

:lol:+1!!!!!!

I just dont like him :dunno:. Thanks for pointing that out though, I wont feel as bad if he wins now :lol: I want ron paul to win

[Topless T/A]

...and Ron Paul never authorized the letter you love to harp on supporters about... Let's be fair- If you contend that Paul is responsible for the newsletter, Obama is responsible for the flag.

I've never said anything about that letter...I will say that he claims he didn't authorize it, which I assume is just as good as everyone else claiming that he did authorize it, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.

I still do have a problem with him not returning the money from the KKK, but that's another story I guess.

[Topless T/A]

A muslim against America will say anything to become president and kill us all!! :squint:

God damn it !! :lol:

Unfortunately, I would expect to hear that from some people on this board and it wouldn't be a joke! :crack:

[m0nk3y]

Hey, I have no problem with a Black, transsexual, muslim, disabled, etc....

So long as he/she/it upholds the constitution and protects liberties, economic and social... which none of the current candidates 100% do. I'm for Ron Paul as he's the closest available. Aside from that, it's the same shit- both parties top two are bad choices in their own rights.

[Derek]

I only read the first few pages, but it's kind of funny that most of you are saying you wouldn't vote for him because he is Muslim.....

But the thing is, he isn't even Muslim, his father was born in Kenya (this is not the middle east) who was raised Muslim but became an atheist as an adult. His mother was raised Christian (Methodist and Baptist parents) and this is how Obama was raised.

That being said I would not be surprised if he was in fact atheist as he clearly says he is skeptical of all religious teachings and wonders how the bible can even be applied in modern times (as the bible wasn't meant to be an à la carte spiritual guide).

A few years ago Obama made a great speech on Religion in modern life and politics.

great read @ http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060628-call_to_renewal/

[dink921]

lol ... if u read the other pages youd know weve established hes not muslim, but still hate him anyway :)

[TIM TIM TIM]

lol ... if u read the other pages youd know weve established hes not muslim, but still hate him anyway :)

+1 :tard:

[type-j-spec]

He's a liar like the rest of them........i want arnold for president

[clear]

*
That being said I would not be surprised if he was in fact atheist as he clearly says he is skeptical of all religious teachings and wonders how the bible can even be applied in modern times (as the bible wasn't meant to be an à la carte spiritual guide).*

I believe he is atheist, and i am also atheist. I dont understand how you can use religion to run a country, Running the country is almost like running a business, your actions decide on the future, not someone above you.

I dont know who i am voting for, they all want stuff that i am 100% against

[thereturnofdark]

I believe he is atheist, and i am also atheist. I dont understand how you can use religion to run a country, Running the country is almost like running a business, your actions decide on the future, not someone above you.

I dont know who i am voting for, they all want stuff that i am 100% against

Like what?

[flounder]

I believe he is atheist, and i am also atheist.

He claims to be a Christian. :dunno:

YouTube - MSNBC Democratic Debate in Las Vegas Jan. 15, 2008 Pt. 4

[Iroc Joe]

845 billion in world aid? Wants to federally ban concealed carry by licensed citizens? Wants to completely ban semi-automatic firearms?


Yup, so not only does the motherfucker not understand the Constitution, he doesn't understand the concept of federalism, and who the fuck is going to pay for that 845 billion in foreign aid? I can keep going, but those are a couple of my most salient issues.

[Scott]

Yup, so not only does the motherfucker not understand the Constitution, he doesn't understand the concept of federalism, and who the fuck is going to pay for that 845 billion in foreign aid? I can keep going, but those are a couple of my most salient issues.


More taxes because you know tax cuts don't work and cut the military come on Joe ! ;)


How about the he never lost a paper comment by Barrack ! :lol: Kudos to him for that shit. Sandy Burglar covering the Clintons FTW.

[TampaDude]

Yes he's a muslim, but that doesn't mean that he's going to hijack a plane and fly it into a building either....believe it or not there are some good Muslims out there. I'd much rather have a Muslim in office than some bible-banger like Huckabee.

For the record, Obama is a Christian, folks!

[HullBreach]

How about this: I don't want a democrat to be president. I could give a damn what other labels they claim, I just don't want a democrat.

[clear]

Like what?

Universal health care for one!

[Billy]

Let that serve as a warning, that type of behavior isn't allowed in here. I thought that was clearly stated in the forum rules, but if not, now it has been.