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Billy
03-05-2008, 09:19 AM
Highlights: Votes to restrict firearms retailers from being able to operate within 5 miles of schools or parks; casts a vote of "present" on the issue of restricting sex-related shops from operating near schools because "he was trying to avoid mandates on local authorities".

Obama; No Gun Shops Within Five Miles of Schools; Porn Shops Okay

I'm going to enjoy writing about a general election campaign against Barack Obama.

As Corner contributor Dave Kopel and David Bernstein note, Barack Obama proposed a few years ago a federal law against licensed firearms dealers operating within five miles of a school or park. As Kopel notes, "Every town I've ever visited which has more than a few dozen inhabitants has either a school or a park. Hypothesizing that the ban would apply to city parks (e.g., Central Park in New York City) but not to National Parks, pick a geographical region, and describe where a licensed firearms dealer could operate. Or pick a geographic point (e.g, Houston)and identify how far a peson would have to drive in order to get to the closest point where a gun store could legally be located. Extra credit for illustrative maps."

As the commenters noted, this would effectively ban gun shops from most of the country, and just about every city.

However, Obama appears to find another kind of establishment to be perfectly fine operating near your children's school:

Obama was also the sole present vote on a bill that easily passed the Senate that would require teaching respect for others in schools. He also voted present on a measure to prohibit sex-related shops from opening near schools or places of worship, which ultimately did not pass the Senate.

In both of those cases, his campaign said, he was trying to avoid mandates on local authorities.

The bill did not get the required three-fifths majority, so it did not in fact pass. (Mr. Obama voted “present” on the measure.)

Why on God's green earth does Barack Obama object to mandates on local authorities for porn shops but not for gun stores? Or conversely, why does he feel it's necessary to keep gun stores five miles from a school, but no limit on porn shops?

03/03 02:38 PM
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Besides the contridiction between his reason for voting the way he did in the second case and they way he chose to vote in the first, there is also the issue of his "present" vote strategy. It's already been called into question by many, and doesn't seem to fit well with his campaign agenda of pushing to be the vessel for change and leadership in this country.

HullBreach
03-05-2008, 09:22 AM
This dudes habit of voting "present" so often really makes him looks spineless.

If he's the nominee McCain is going to have a field day with crap like this.

type-j-spec
03-05-2008, 09:34 AM
Brett Farve for President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

Chuck 98 RT/10
03-05-2008, 09:50 AM
Protect the children. The children they are our future.

Joe
03-05-2008, 10:17 AM
Protect the children. The children they are our future.

Thus we should arm them. :lol:

HullBreach
03-05-2008, 12:03 PM
Thus we should arm them. :lol:

How else will the defend themselves from all the free candy offers from the dudes in vans hanging out at the porn shops?

PPGMD
03-05-2008, 01:26 PM
Ok call me crazy but how does having a gun shop near a school effect the children? It's not like Little Johnny can go buy a gun, and then go shoot up his school. Walmart would likely have to completely stop selling firearms.

rainmkr
03-05-2008, 02:29 PM
i can always find ways to get porn online, getting a gun would be harder for me if they banned them.

Billy
03-05-2008, 03:37 PM
I think that is pretty much the point.

5 miles is a big area, especially with the number of schools and parks in metropolitan areas.

It would be really interesting to see, on a map, what the overlap would look like if one were to mark schools and parks and then draw a circle around them to represent the 5 mile zone. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it revealed no possible areas for gun shops in the Tampa Bay area.

jabtay
03-05-2008, 03:42 PM
I think that is pretty much the point.

5 miles is a big area, especially with the number of schools and parks in metropolitan areas.

It would be really interesting to see, on a map, what the overlap would look like if one were to mark schools and parks and then draw a circle around them to represent the 5 mile zone. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it revealed no possible areas for gun shops in the Tampa Bay area.
If I still had ArcView on my computer I would map it out. But it can be done on a regular map with a compass...If i get bored enough, i will do it for the tampa area.

PPGMD
03-05-2008, 03:54 PM
If I still had ArcView on my computer I would map it out. But it can be done on a regular map with a compass...If i get bored enough, i will do it for the tampa area.

Google Earth might make it easier to do.

HullBreach
03-05-2008, 03:58 PM
Google Earth might make it easier to do.

Yeah I want to remember seeing some plugins for it to do stuff similar to this. I'll poke around later if I get the chance.

jabtay
03-05-2008, 04:02 PM
I didnt know it had that kind of mapping capabilities...damn, glad i didnt follow up on my GIS career :lol:

PPGMD
03-05-2008, 04:03 PM
I did a quick play around in Google Earth, there is not a single place in the Tampa Bay area where you could have a gun shop. You would have to go into the rural areas because there are schools nearly everywhere.

Iroc Joe
03-05-2008, 04:08 PM
He was trying to avoid mandates on local authorities, but wants to place mandates on local authorities? I'm confused.

Billy
03-05-2008, 04:13 PM
He was trying to avoid mandates on local authorities, but wants to place mandates on local authorities? I'm confused.

Yeah...pretty much :lol:

HullBreach
03-05-2008, 04:41 PM
but but but Hope and Change!

Billy
03-05-2008, 04:50 PM
but but but Hope and Change!

Hard to have much effect on that with a "present" vote. :lol:

whitebread
03-06-2008, 12:36 AM
this is standard pattern for our leftists. i think guns and porn should be ok, though.

Scott
03-06-2008, 08:50 AM
He has a dream....

HullBreach
03-06-2008, 08:51 AM
What if its a store that sells guns and porn?

SilentBob86
03-06-2008, 03:01 PM
What if its a store that sells guns and porn?
Time to open a new store:lol: