View Full Version : Ron Paul preparing to tap out?
Graves
03-07-2008, 04:39 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/07/ron.paul.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul is hinting to supporters that he is ending his long-shot campaign for the presidency.
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) hinted to supporters Thursday that he was ending his bid to be president.
The Texas Republican congressman addressed supporters in a 7-½-minute video on his campaign Web site Thursday night and did not specifically say he was quitting the race.
He said that although victory in the conventional political sense is not available in the presidential race, many victories have been achieved due to the hard work and enthusiasm of his supporters.
He said that he hoped that one day he and his supporters could look back and say his campaign was a significant first step that signaled a change in direction for the country.
Paul said their job now was to plan for the next phase of their effort.
KuJoe
03-07-2008, 04:44 AM
If McCain were to die tomorrow would that make Ron Paul the defacto nominee since all others dropped out?
If McCain were to die tomorrow would that make Ron Paul the defacto nominee since all others dropped out?
Why.... yes... it..... would...... mmmmhhhmmmm..... :squint:
blurboEK
03-07-2008, 08:30 AM
Why.... yes... it..... would...... mmmmhhhmmmm..... :squint:
need a hand? :lol:
KuJoe
03-07-2008, 09:12 AM
Seriously? The other runners couldn't rejoin or anything? Once they're out, they're out?
Well, thats the only thing I can see him banking on at this point. Why is he still wasting money?
Crazy old squirly-looking guy. :lol:
Sumthin Nuu
03-07-2008, 12:07 PM
I, for one, am glad he ran even if the majority of voters are too comatose to do anything other than elect another Bush-bot or Clinton into office. I can't wait to hear them bitch about the resulting mess they'll get.
I, for one, am glad he ran even if the majority of voters are too comatose to do anything other than elect another Bush-bot or Clinton into office. I can't wait to hear them bitch about the resulting mess they'll get.
You're right, Ron Paul's aim to dissolve several major important government agencies, his nonexistant foriegn policy, and his desire to revert us back to the gold & silver standard wouldn't have caused any problems. :lol:
I'm glad he is all for personal freedoms, cuz if he had his way I'd be sitting in my window freely shooting people as they came by to pillage my house.
buck19
03-07-2008, 01:30 PM
You're right, Ron Paul's aim to dissolve several major important government agencies, his nonexistant foriegn policy, and his desire to revert us back to the gold & silver standard wouldn't have caused any problems. :lol:
I'm glad he is all for personal freedoms, cuz if he had his way I'd be sitting in my window freely shooting people as they came by to pillage my house.
You didn't look into it too much did you. if you violate someones rights you're getting punished. So you wouldn't have to worry about pillagers because that will still be illegal.
Laws are there to uphold the constitution, not tear it down.
You didn't look into it too much did you. if you violate someones rights you're getting punished. So you wouldn't have to worry about pillagers because that will still be illegal.
Laws are there to uphold the constitution, not tear it down.
Laws don't matter when the government and economy are crumbling around you. Its called anarchy. ;)
BTW, Ron Paul has SOLIDLY locked down the anarchist vote. Good for him.
buck19
03-07-2008, 01:32 PM
You're right, Ron Paul's aim to dissolve several major important government agencies, his nonexistant foriegn policy, and his desire to revert us back to the gold & silver standard wouldn't have caused any problems. :lol:
I'm glad he is all for personal freedoms, cuz if he had his way I'd be sitting in my window freely shooting people as they came by to pillage my house.
Since when has Condy done any good when she goes to the middle east during their peace talks. It always happens to break down. And the one time we don't there's a cease fire, until were got involved a week later.
Since when has Condy done any good when she goes to the middle east during their peace talks. It always happens to break down. And the one time we don't there's a cease fire, until were got involved a week later.
Who the hell is talking about Condy?
buck19
03-07-2008, 01:35 PM
Laws don't matter when the government and economy are crumbling around you. Its called anarchy. ;)
BTW, Ron Paul has SOLIDLY locked down the anarchist vote. Good for him.
Because they are trying to establish way too much infrastructure that can't be held accountable for it's actions. Instead of masking the problem just get rid of the source :-o
Topless T/A
03-07-2008, 01:53 PM
I, for one, am glad he ran even if the majority of voters are too comatose to do anything other than elect another Bush-bot or Clinton into office. I can't wait to hear them bitch about the resulting mess they'll get.
What's real funny, is that Ron Paul supporters still blame everyone except themselves and Ron Paul's senseless ideals for the comedy show that has been RP's run for the Presidency.
What's real funny, is that Ron Paul supporters still blame everyone except themselves and Ron Paul's senseless ideals for the comedy show that has been RP's run for the Presidency.
Conspiracy!
:lol: Is it any wonder that ron Paul ALSO solidly has the conspiracy therorist vote? Oh god, I wish someone would do demographic studies of his supporters. I'd laugh for days.
Topless T/A
03-07-2008, 02:09 PM
Conspiracy!
:lol: Is it any wonder that ron Paul ALSO solidly has the conspiracy therorist vote? Oh god, I wish someone would do demographic studies of his supporters. I'd laugh for days.
Since they don't like the democratic or republican parties, they could call themselves the tin-foil party!
Since they don't like the democratic or republican parties, they could call themselves the tin-foil party!
Well, I don't like the Democratic or Republican parties. I wish there was a "Moderates" parts. Like, a mainstream one.
buck19
03-07-2008, 02:20 PM
Since they don't like the democratic or republican parties, they could call themselves the tin-foil party!
Even though he is a text book republican as per when the party was initially established.
KuJoe
03-07-2008, 02:22 PM
Even though he is a text book republican as per when the party was initially established.
AKA "old". :lol:
buck19
03-07-2008, 02:23 PM
Who the hell is talking about Condy?
You were talking about foreign policy. I for one would rather stay out of a religious war and not send Condy in.
buck19
03-07-2008, 02:24 PM
AKA "old". :lol:
So core fundamental flip flopping is ok?
Topless T/A
03-07-2008, 02:24 PM
Well, I don't like the Democratic or Republican parties. I wish there was a "Moderates" parts. Like, a mainstream one.
well yeh I wish there was an "independent" party (that was taken seriously) as well......just as long as I don't have to size you for a hat too :squint:
Even though he is a text book republican as per when the party was initially established.
Yeh and most parts of the world still didn't have running water when the party was established either....you have to evolve with society in order to make things work. That's the same reason why you drive a car instead of a horse-drawn-carriage. The same applies for politics.
buck19
03-07-2008, 02:26 PM
well yeh I wish there was an "independent" party (that was taken seriously) as well......just as long as I don't have to size you for a hat too :squint:
Yeh and most parts of the world still didn't have running water when the party was established either....you have to evolve with society in order to make things work. That's the same reason why you drive a car instead of a horse-drawn-carriage. The same applies for politics.
I ride a bicycle actually. Got rid of the car.
And you have to evolve with society, I know. So get rid of and stop wasting money on programs that do not work. It's a simple philosophy. Bush's No Child Left Behind was a big joke.
well yeh I wish there was an "independent" party (that was taken seriously) as well......just as long as I don't have to size you for a hat too :squint:
Yeh and most parts of the world still didn't have running water when the party was established either....you have to evolve with society in order to make things work. That's the same reason why you drive a car instead of a horse-drawn-carriage. The same applies for politics.
When you have to size me for a hat you'll be doing it from behind me under the protective fire of my guns. ;)
Elohim
03-07-2008, 02:29 PM
So what are we Ron Paul supporters to do now?
Hopefully he'll run as an independent because I won't vote for Clinton, McCain, or Obama. There are other people I'd vote for but not one of them.
KuJoe
03-07-2008, 02:29 PM
So core fundamental flip flopping is ok?
Eh, I just want somebody who's living in the now, not the past, that's not to much to ask. ;)
buck19
03-07-2008, 02:31 PM
Eh, I just want somebody who's living in the now, not the past, that's not to much to ask. ;)
The two can exist.
McCain is promising 100 more years in Iraq. As of a couple days ago Bush tap danced to his announcement that he supports McCain.
You know Ron Paul did his part in society. More than you can ever say for Bush.
Topless T/A
03-07-2008, 02:40 PM
When you have to size me for a hat you'll be doing it from behind me under the protective fire of my guns. ;)
What if I steal them from you first? :-o
Topless T/A
03-07-2008, 02:42 PM
I ride a bicycle actually. Got rid of the car.
And you have to evolve with society, I know. So get rid of and stop wasting money on programs that do not work. It's a simple philosophy. Bush's No Child Left Behind was a big joke.
Most programs work a lot more than what people like you want to give them credit for. The answer to any problems that may exist with any governmental programs however, is not to cut-loose and run away screaming and crying like a little girl....aka the Ron Paul approach.
Most programs work a lot more than what people like you want to give them credit for. The answer to any problems that may exist with any governmental programs however, is not to cut-loose and run away screaming and crying like a little girl....aka the Ron Paul approach.
You know, Rudy the fascist works along the same lines.
Something causing problems? Make it illegal! Screw trying to fix it!
Graves
03-07-2008, 02:53 PM
So if he was so gung ho and set to win with so many supporters why not run independent?
So if he was so gung ho and set to win with so many supporters why not run independent?
Cuz hes crazy.
buck19
03-07-2008, 03:21 PM
Cuz hes crazy.
Einstein was considered crazy. He was kicked out of school for not following their curriculum. He didn't agree with the way they were teaching the kids how to learn. This so called crazy man changed the course of human history and he was self taught for the most part.
Just keep calling people crazy for their exposing points of view that are out in the open.
We all know JD Rockefeller's US Standard Oil Company supplied their patented fuel to the Nazis.
And Prescott Sheldon Bush. His banking business, the Union Banking Corporation was shut down due to trading with the enemy. He had millions in Nazi money...
This stuff is fact.
Topless T/A
03-07-2008, 03:28 PM
So if Einstein and Jesus got drunk one night, screwed around, and popped out a kid...they would name it Ron Paul?
buck19
03-07-2008, 05:07 PM
No but it sure as hell wouldn't be Clinton, McCain, or Obama. Ron Paul would be the one delivering the baby. True fact, google it. ;)
SilentBob86
03-08-2008, 04:20 PM
Why.... yes... it..... would...... mmmmhhhmmmm..... :squint:
You know, i know this guy....he can get stuff.
SilentBob86
03-08-2008, 04:29 PM
Most programs work a lot more than what people like you want to give them credit for. The answer to any problems that may exist with any governmental programs however, is not to cut-loose and run away screaming and crying like a little girl....aka the Ron Paul approach.
You arent very educated about his campaign are you? You know, it seems to me that the people who really dont know about his campaign just tend to bash. So he's not gonna make the presidency. But you know what, i cant wait for all the bitching and bad shit thats gonna happen so i can say i told you so. Seriously, the sheeple are gonna elect another president that MSM tells them too, and then when they start the same shit bush was doing, there gonna hate him and bitch and cry like little babies. I love the fucking people in this country.
And now back to britney spears and american idol, things all americans know are much MUCH more important than who's the president or what our govt is doing...
Iroc Joe
03-08-2008, 04:34 PM
There is so much ignorance in this thread I'm not even going to bother responding past this.
Those who claim they are in favor of the Constitution, and the protections it affords are obviously incorrect in their assumptions and should rethink their positions before making themselves look foolish and contradictory.
Topless T/A
03-08-2008, 06:41 PM
You arent very educated about his campaign are you? You know, it seems to me that the people who really dont know about his campaign just tend to bash. So he's not gonna make the presidency. But you know what, i cant wait for all the bitching and bad shit thats gonna happen so i can say i told you so. Seriously, the sheeple are gonna elect another president that MSM tells them too, and then when they start the same shit bush was doing, there gonna hate him and bitch and cry like little babies. I love the fucking people in this country.
And now back to britney spears and american idol, things all americans know are much MUCH more important than who's the president or what our govt is doing...
Please enlighten me then about Ron Paul's plans to solve our problems? All I've heard out of his own mouth is abolish gov programs like the DOE and DOEd, cut and run from aiding foreign countries, etc etc....he doesn't take-on problems, he runs away from them.
SilentBob86
03-08-2008, 08:19 PM
Please enlighten me then about Ron Paul's plans to solve our problems? All I've heard out of his own mouth is abolish gov programs like the DOE and DOEd, cut and run from aiding foreign countries, etc etc....he doesn't take-on problems, he runs away from them.
No, instead of everything being big govt, he wants to give the power and money back to the states. Let the states run those branches so that the people in that area can have any special/ area specific needs taken care of. So instead of grouping everyone in the country, you could have states making choices according to what the people of that state want/need.
I dont completely agree with his foreign policy, but about everything esle i like.
Graves
03-08-2008, 08:55 PM
No, instead of everything being big govt, he wants to give the power and money back to the states. Let the states run those branches so that the people in that area can have any special/ area specific needs taken care of. So instead of grouping everyone in the country, you could have states making choices according to what the people of that state want/need.
I dont completely agree with his foreign policy, but about everything esle i like.
Well I am glad you did, looks like very few people actually jumped on his bandwagon. Better luck in 4 more years. :lol:
SilentBob86
03-09-2008, 04:20 PM
Well I am glad you did, looks like very few people actually jumped on his bandwagon. Better luck in 4 more years. :lol:
Hey man, i can dream :lmao:
But naw, we still do paper ballots up here, so
RONPAULWRITEINFTMFW!!!!!!!!
Topless T/A
03-10-2008, 09:02 AM
No, instead of everything being big govt, he wants to give the power and money back to the states. Let the states run those branches so that the people in that area can have any special/ area specific needs taken care of. So instead of grouping everyone in the country, you could have states making choices according to what the people of that state want/need.
I dont completely agree with his foreign policy, but about everything esle i like.
So how is one "unified" country supposed to run major programs 50 different ways and expect there to be less problems than there are now?
So how is one "unified" country supposed to run major programs 50 different ways and expect there to be less problems than there are now?
Is that any worse then running them one way all effed up, like current programs?:dunno:
Topless T/A
03-10-2008, 02:43 PM
Is that any worse then running them one way all effed up, like current programs?:dunno:
of course it would...then you'd have 50 fucked up programs that couldn't agree on a single idea. You'd also have mass movements of people relocating to states that they think are "better" for them, which would fuck up all sorts of economical and sociological systems across the board. You all get so caught up in hating big government, that you don't stop and think about things realistically....hence why people like Ron Paul will never stand a chance with their crazy ideas.
Hey dude, when Toppless is right (and history backs him up. Articles of Confederation, anyone?), Toppless is right.
Topless T/A
03-10-2008, 02:50 PM
Hey dude, when Toppless is right (and history backs him up. Articles of Confederation, anyone?), Toppless is right.
I know most people don't agree with me on a lot of things, but there's also a lot of things that one just has to look at from a common-sense approach...no political beliefs, no personal beliefs, no outside influences...just common sense. :)
Iroc Joe
03-10-2008, 03:08 PM
Hey dude, when Toppless is right (and history backs him up. Articles of Confederation, anyone?), Toppless is right.
Logical disconnect.
The shortcomings of the Articles were corrected in the Constitution. Treaties, trade agreements, defense, currency, were the shortcomings of the Articles. Powers explicitly left to the states should not be concern for the national government. Sealing the borders with federal troops for national defense would be a job for the national government. Education etc. would be a job for state governments.
Also, Topless is incorrect. Fifty "fucked up programs?" Different states have different cultures, environments, economies, and needs. Therefor the autonomy guaranteed to them by the Constitution is logical. Thinking one big happy government knows what is best for 300 million individuals in 50 different states is ignorant at best - and hardly common sense.
Topless T/A
03-10-2008, 03:24 PM
Logical disconnect.
The shortcomings of the Articles were corrected in the Constitution. Treaties, trade agreements, defense, currency, were the shortcomings of the Articles. Powers explicitly left to the states should not be concern for the national government. Sealing the borders with federal troops for national defense would be a job for the national government. Education etc. would be a job for state governments.
Also, Topless is incorrect. Fifty "fucked up programs?" Different states have different cultures, environments, economies, and needs. Therefor the autonomy guaranteed to them by the Constitution is logical. Thinking one big happy government knows what is best for 300 million individuals in 50 different states is ignorant at best - and hardly common sense.
It's not 50 different states of individuals...it's one country of individuals that operates as a whole. If you want to live one big continent made up of individual little states that can't function as a whole, then go move to Africa. If you want America to function as one fluid unit, then the most important programs to society MUST be run by one central unit. I bet if you had your way, each state would have it's own foreign import/export laws as well right? It just can't function that way without doing something crazy like making each state it's own country....I don't know why that's so difficult to understand.
Iroc Joe
03-10-2008, 03:36 PM
It's not 50 different states of individuals...it's one country of individuals that operates as a whole. If you want to live one big continent made up of individual little states that can't function as a whole, then go move to Africa. If you want America to function as one fluid unit, then the most important programs to society MUST be run by one central unit. I bet if you had your way, each state would have it's own foreign import/export laws as well right? It just can't function that way without doing something crazy like making each state it's own country....I don't know why that's so difficult to understand.
Hmmm...
The shortcomings of the Articles were corrected in the Constitution. Treaties, trade agreements, defense, currency, were the shortcomings of the Articles. Powers explicitly left to the states should not be concern for the national government.
Reading comprehension?
Anyway, you are still incorrect. You mean to tell me education requirements in New York City are the same as rural Wyoming? What about agriculture? How will the farmers' children learn agriculture if education is dictated in say ... Washington D.C.? What about culture? Southern blacks should ignore their heritage because they are the same as Italian immigrants in New York? I'm confused? You don't read much history, do you? Prior to the Jacksonian era people did not claim to be "Americans." There were Virginians, New Yorkers, Carolinians, etc. You've never read Tocqueville's Democracy in America, have you? The reason the federal government has grown so much, and assumed so much unconstitutional power is because the people have allowed it by laziness,and withdrawal from the public sphere. Furthermore, your prior argument was illogical. States are already ranked in education, where is the mass exodus of people from Arkansas to New York so their children may go to better schools? Also, if people thought their state's programs were "fucked up" they should elect better representatives to improve their programs.
But Joe, as much as I hate to say this because of its slippery slope applications, things aren't the same today as they were back then.
Back then, your economy was your town, your neighbors, and the exports were coming from across the state border. Today we're facing a truly global economy.
We can't have a bunch of states doing whatever they want. Things are becomming more and more global, and if we ever want to keep up and one day lead again, we have to adapt with that. It just isn't practical to divide the US back into 50 different sects like that again. Not with the exchange of goods and information that goes on today.
We can't have rural Wyoming teaching billy how to farm in a Protestant church-school because nobody has the oversight to tell them not to. Cuz Billy might grow up to be Bill Gates, of Microsoft. The US NEEDS to be as uniform as possible, and in the coming years the world is going to NEED to be as uniform as possible too....And there is a term for this.
Cultural diffusion.
buck19
03-10-2008, 10:43 PM
This exporting and importing to the global economy also hurts us. Look at all of the jobs lost to outsourcing. IMHO we should not export and import anything but technology(ideas and methods, not products) and regional specific goods. We have more than enough resources to rely on ourselves. I'm all for boosting the local economy because that directly effects me. Why do we need to get Bananas from South America when we can get it from our own state? It seems to me it would be cheaper to get your produce from across the way like Plant city instead of Mexico and Peru. It's all the same employees.
This exporting and importing to the global economy also hurts us. Look at all of the jobs lost to outsourcing. IMHO we should not export and import anything but technology(ideas and methods, not products) and regional specific goods. We have more than enough resources to rely on ourselves. I'm all for boosting the local economy because that directly effects me. Why do we need to get Bananas from South America when we can get it from our own state? It seems to me it would be cheaper to get your produce from across the way like Plant city instead of Mexico and Peru. It's all the same employees.
There is a reason Joe isn't backing you up on this statement.....That was a really poorly thought-out post.
buck19
03-10-2008, 11:15 PM
There is a reason Joe isn't backing you up on this statement.....That was a really poorly thought-out post.
Or maybe cause I posted it 5 minutes ago...
You don't believe in supporting you're local economy? :-o
Or maybe cause I posted it 5 minutes ago...
You don't believe in supporting you're local economy? :-o
Look, I'm being real nice right now. Drop this point before you get embarressed.
Topless T/A
03-11-2008, 09:01 AM
This exporting and importing to the global economy also hurts us. Look at all of the jobs lost to outsourcing. IMHO we should not export and import anything but technology(ideas and methods, not products) and regional specific goods. We have more than enough resources to rely on ourselves. I'm all for boosting the local economy because that directly effects me. Why do we need to get Bananas from South America when we can get it from our own state? It seems to me it would be cheaper to get your produce from across the way like Plant city instead of Mexico and Peru. It's all the same employees.
if you had any credibility at all before this post, you certainly have none now...stop importing and exporting to the global economy? We have enough resources to rely on ourselves? Good lord :lol:
If you want to get real technical, the reason why that we import a lot of food is because of growing seasons,climate, and growing needs. To say that we can grow all the food we need, let alone develop all of the thousands of tangible products that we use everyday, just in America alone is completely stupid.
Scott
03-11-2008, 05:55 PM
You are my hero this week Joe ! :love:
You need to start hanging out with the fellas again. So we can discuss this shit over beers and wings.
buck19
03-11-2008, 07:21 PM
if you had any credibility at all before this post, you certainly have none now...stop importing and exporting to the global economy? We have enough resources to rely on ourselves? Good lord :lol:
If you want to get real technical, the reason why that we import a lot of food is because of growing seasons,climate, and growing needs. To say that we can grow all the food we need, let alone develop all of the thousands of tangible products that we use everyday, just in America alone is completely stupid.
Wal-Marts motto use to be "Made in America." Now you can hardly find anything in that store that's made in America. It's not that we've run out of resources, it's greed. And of course we can grow plenty of food. That's why farmers are paid not to grow crops. Of course you import what you cannot produce, if you have to. Why are we getting Oranges and other fruits and veggies from Mexico when they are grown in our own backyard. That's all I'm trying to say. I'm not saying we should to isolate ourselves.
PPGMD
03-11-2008, 08:06 PM
Actually food, in particular grains is one of our largest exports.
There are things made in America at Walmart, I buy tons of ammo from Walmarts all of it is made in America, and is some of the cheapest ammo you can find.
buck19
03-12-2008, 07:18 PM
Actually food, in particular grains is one of our largest exports.
There are things made in America at Walmart, I buy tons of ammo from Walmarts all of it is made in America, and is some of the cheapest ammo you can find.
It sucks that you can't get a box of 100 shells for $12 anymore. It's something like $25 now. Steel shot used to be something like $18. That might have been a Nebraska thing, I dunno. That's why I still have my .22. 550rds for $8 :lol: But hell the cheap rds jam a lot.
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