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Deuche
03-07-2008, 12:20 PM
Ive been reading this guys article on HDMI and different interfaces and found his testing to be very very usefull. Apparently ANY HDMI cable under 6 foot performs exactly the same! Anything over that is where you run into issues. He went as far as showing you actual scopes and readout of testing each cable from the cheapest online to monsters high end cables. Monster does perform the best but everything is just about on par under 6foot!

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/hdmi-cable-battlemodo/the-truth-about-monster-cable-part-2-268788.php


http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/field-notes/the-truth-about-monster-cable-266616.php


Differences in cable are easily spotted by untrained eyes.
A PS3 feeding 1080p signal to a Samsung 1080p LCD TV starts to jitter and throw digital noise lines across the screen if the cable can't hack the bandwidth. We tested the two cables above on a PS3 showing a Blu-ray of Chicken Little and it was totally noticeable, there were lines and jitters, none of this videophile matter-of-opinion stuff that I had anticipated. It was totally obvious, and something that Monster says people often blame on their TV, not their cable.

Future proofing and heavy-duty cable are crucial for in-wall installation.
This probably made the most sense of all. Given the fact that in-wall cable is longer than others, you'd need something that can handle the bandwidth. (In fact, when it gets to 50 feet, you don't have many choices in the cable world for that reason—Monster says it's soon headed for 100 feet of HDMI.) Couple that with staples, kinks and other weirdness that might happen with in-wall installation, and the fact that when you upgrade your TV, you don't want to have to re-do your drywall, and Monster has a good point.

Lest you think I be drinkin' Lee's Kool-Aid, here are my caveats to Monster's truths:

• If you are going from any source to a 720p or 1080i TV set, you should really be in the clear using a full-on crappy ass cable.

• As long as you're not doing installing the wiring in your wall, start with the crappy cable. If it sucks and you only paid $20 for it, go back and spend more on something certified.

• In the demo, Monster even proved that good components can offset crappy cables: that PS3 and that Samsung 1080p were able to work around much of the problems, all the more reason why, in a non-custom non-in-wall installation, you should try out the lower grade stuff first.

So listen, you've heard it from me: there are differences in cable, but there are also differences in technical requirements. We don't all need $120 cables for our components. As to the question of why Monster won't offer a lower-priced product in recognition of these differences in technical requirements, Lee told me to "stay tuned."

OK people, let's hear it. Go ahead and vent. – Wilson Rothman

Eluzzionz
03-07-2008, 12:38 PM
thats pretty much what i told my roommate who bought expensive cables..and i used cheap ass cables and still the picture is great

i told him that pretty much the better cables only matter for farther distances since more then likely have less distortion/interuptions
kinda how fios works..fiber optics up to ur house then standard coax cable into ur house..
(i didnt read the article just what i believe)

Deuche
03-07-2008, 12:42 PM
thats pretty much what i told my roommate who bought expensive cables..and i used cheap ass cables and still the picture is great

i told him that pretty much the better cables only matter for farther distances since more then likely have less distortion/interuptions
kinda how fios works..fiber optics up to ur house then standard coax cable into ur house..
(i didnt read the article just what i believe)

Read the second one where monster Demoed for him with a PS3 and plasma TV and he admits that the monster does perform better.

Spelunking
03-07-2008, 12:43 PM
expensive cable is not only about what you see, the more expensive cable comes with a lifetime warranty, and build quality.

Deuche
03-07-2008, 12:45 PM
expensive cable is not only about what you see, the more expensive cable comes with a lifetime warranty, and build quality.


read the articles... i believe in buying quality cable. but the proof i there. under 3 meters they are the same i dont care about the warrenty if the damn thing was 7$ then i could buy 21 of them for the price of a monster cable. But at distance Monster out peforms. also when talking about digital quality monster is cleaner. if you look at the scopes You can see the monster signal is the cleanest and has no drop off at all.

Spelunking
03-07-2008, 01:49 PM
right, the first link has the cat's eye test that I posted about in previous hdmi threads. It is nice to see a good write up

blurboEK
03-07-2008, 02:16 PM
one nice thing about Monster, if you purchase their M series cables (not sure if they honor others) and down the road technology surpasses your cable, they'll upgrade you for free. But you're also paying $150ish retail for a 4' HDMI cable.. If you know someone that works for CircuitCity or BestBuy they should be able to hook you up with a big discount..

Deuche
03-07-2008, 02:27 PM
one nice thing about Monster, if you purchase their M series cables (not sure if they honor others) and down the road technology surpasses your cable, they'll upgrade you for free. But you're also paying $150ish retail for a 4' HDMI cable.. If you know someone that works for CircuitCity or BestBuy they should be able to hook you up with a big discount..

i worked for both monster has a 75% profit margin!!!! thats why they push them !! lol

blurboEK
03-08-2008, 08:11 AM
i worked for both monster has a 75% profit margin!!!! thats why they push them !! lol

yeah I did soho sales @ cc for 2.5 years (store 3203) and instore we'd get 50-60% off, or we could order directly from Monster (along with most of our other mfg's) and it was 75% off.. pretty insane markup imo.. all home audio/car audio has a very large mark-up..

Josh
03-10-2008, 07:30 PM
i'm not much for monster but i have purchased some of their stuff for the HT in the living room. All speakers are wired up with monster cable speaking wire for in-wall use. two of these are very long leads for the rear speakers through the attic. i also run all my power connections for the HT equip through a beefy Monster Power power supply with AVR. Clean powah is good powah.

My 2 12" subs in my car are using monster cable subwoofer speaker cable to from the speaker terminals to the terminals inside the enclosure, then monster cable subwoofer speaker wire from the enclosure terminals to the amplifier.

Miles
03-10-2008, 09:54 PM
all my cabling is monster.

granted, i worked at best buy when i bought everything. that helped.

Josh
03-11-2008, 06:44 AM
all my cabling is monster.

granted, i worked at best buy when i bought everything. that helped.

50% markup ftw! :lol:

Spelunking
03-11-2008, 01:23 PM
oh yeah, well I get monster at cost, and still refuse to buy it, so there

Miles
03-11-2008, 01:31 PM
50% markup ftw! :lol:

you ain't kidding.

Deuche
03-11-2008, 04:24 PM
i didnt mind the markup i just laughed when people paid 150 for a 3 foot cable when i spent like 14.99 on it !! lol

Ive found Phillips Magnavox Has a Nice ass 1.3a compliant HDMI cheap too like 20 bucks. Not a BAD cable i use it on my 360... Monster on my Cable and i cant see a diff. Theres more depth in the game only cause its designed for that!!

rainmkr
03-12-2008, 10:53 AM
MORE fuel to the fire:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11276_7-6845988-3.html


CNET strongly recommends cheap HDMI cables widely available from online retailers instead of the expensive counterparts sold in your local electronics store.

Here's why:

Expensive cables aren't worth it
If you walk into your typical electronics store to buy an HDMI cable, you're likely to see prices upward of $50 with promises of better performance and faster speeds. Do you really need to spend that much money on a single HDMI cable?

Absolutely not--those cables are a rip-off. You should never pay more than $10 for a standard six-foot HDMI cable. And despite what salesmen and manufacturers might tell you, there's no meaningful difference between the $10 cable and the $50 cable. Unless you see something obvious, such as dropouts or a flashing screen, the digital information transmitted by both cables is exactly the same--no cable can make the picture any better or any worse. We've used cables from many different companies in the past--such as Belkin, Accell, Monoprice, Monster, and SimplayHD--and have not run into any consistent issues with any brand of cable. With working cables and solid connections, we've seen no dropouts and "sparklies"--just consistent, dependable, high-quality audio and video. It's that simple.