McCain calls off campaign to head to washington

[jabtay]

Obama "debate still on"
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/mccain-not-comm.html
ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos and Rick Klein report: Sen. John McCain on Wednesday said he would “suspend” his presidential campaign to come to Washington to help negotiate a financial bailout bill, a dramatic move designed to seize a powerful issue.
McCain called on the Commission on Presidential Debates to postpone the debate scheduled for Friday in Mississippi, to ensure quick congressional action.
“I have spoken to Senator Obama and informed him of my decision and have asked him to join me,” McCain said. “I am calling on the president to convene a meeting with the leadership from both houses of Congress, including Senator Obama and myself. It is time for both parties to come together to solve this problem.”
However a senior Obama campaign official said Obama "intends to debate."
"The debate is on," a senior Obama campaign official told ABC News.
Obama supporter and chief debate negotiator Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., told MSNBC that "we can handle both," when asked about his reaction to McCain's call to postpone the first debate because of the administration's bailout plan.

So when McCain says "Country First", it seems he means it. But Obama puts politics first, the rest will take care of itself somehow.

[Derek]

More presidential political BS McCain is interjecting into a very real issue. We have people from both sides in Washington trying to work on a compromise. The last thing they need or want is McCain and Obama coming in and playing presidential politics with Americas economy.

McCain knows he is loosing this election on the economy.

[XYNaPSE]

Why are Republicans so bad at muti-tasking? This is all just a show.

[Derek]

They are slipping in the polls, McCain's camp would love for Obama to stop talking shit on McCain for the weekend. Nothing but a political stunt.

Obama wont bite and will debate.

[Derek]

I wonder how they are gonna get sarah out of her debate?

[Joe]

Wouldn't this be an important vote to be part of? I mean they are BOTH PAID to be there and voting in Congress, and this isn't some pussy foot issue.

[HullBreach]

Wouldn't this be an important vote to be part of? I mean they are BOTH PAID to be there and voting in Congress, and this isn't some pussy foot issue.

It's cool, Im sure someone can just vote "present" for Obama.

[jabtay]

Obama "If you need me...call me" :lmao:

Way to worry about a debate, and campaign contributions, rather than the United States.

[YuppyKiller]

Why are Republicans so bad at muti-tasking? This is all just a show.

OMFG you're an idiot. Idk if you heard Obama today, but apparently we're supposed to "give the president a call" when he's needed. McCain is standing up like a president SHOULD and showing an example of what LEADERSHIP means. You my friend are a fucking moron.

[Joe]

They are slipping in the polls, McCain's camp would love for Obama to stop talking shit on McCain for the weekend. Nothing but a political stunt.

Obama wont bite and will debate.


Political stunt or not, isn't it their job? :dunno:

I mean if Obama wants to step down from his office in Congress, more power to him. If he doesn't step down, then he needs to be involved, especially when it's a major vote and everyone's input is needed.

Either way, he is a pompous ass and showed that today with his response to McCain asking him to go back to Washington also...

[moldyhands]

politics on both sides. mccain pulling it probably to avoid the debate and obama pushing to keep the economy, which is mccain's weakpoint, at the forefront. i'm pretty sure these guys can get on a conference call here or there and read documents via email.

plus, if they can help push the bailout through, i hope neither of them make it to washington.

[jabtay]

politics on both sides. mccain pulling it probably to avoid the debate and obama pushing to keep the economy, which is mccain's weakpoint, at the forefront. i'm pretty sure these guys can get on a conference call here or there and read documents via email.

plus, if they can help push the bailout through, i hope neither of them make it to washington.
I doubt mccain is doing this to get out of the debate. obama is not a great talker, without a teleprompter. mccain knows this...hence the call for town hall debats that obama rejects.

Lets not get into the economic issue with obama. his advisers know the economy well...they seem to have helped destroy it. :gordy:

[ratedx1]

It's cool, Im sure someone can just vote "present" for Obama.

+1

[adric]

It's cool, Im sure someone can just vote "present" for Obama.
+1

[blacksheep-1]

Wait a minute there lib-boy, when Bush was supposedly missing after 9/11 (he wasn't) the Klintonistas were wetting themselves, but when Obomber is missing it's just "multi tasking".
Put the herb down a little earlier in the day next time.

[moldyhands]

obama is not a great talker, without a teleprompter. mccain knows this...you're kidding me. wow - talk about partisan blindness.

obama - great all around talker/orator
biden - great at sound bites and attacks - a little weak when it comes to supporting his stances

mccain - great when discussing matters he has worked a lot on (foreign policy, defense). looks wooden when he starts talking about things he is not that familiar with (economics)
palin - great at speeches and prescribed interviews. starts to look like a yokel when asked questions she isn't that well informed about.

i think mccain will probably tie obama in this first debate since it's focus is foreign policy and obama will handily win the other two.

i think biden is going to eat palin alive. she has been asked a couple questions that have stumped her and she trips all over herself. i think mccain was smart to pick a woman because it gave his campaign a LOT of press and a positive bump, but this woman, i believe, will turn out to be a HUGE idiot.

[nikki.]

i think biden is going to eat palin alive. she has been asked a couple questions that have stumped her and she trips all over herself. i think mccain was smart to pick a woman because it gave his campaign a LOT of press and a positive bump, but this woman, i believe, will turn out to be a HUGE idiot.

agreed.

[TampaTraps]

Political stunt or not, isn't it their job? :dunno:

I mean if Obama wants to step down from his office in Congress, more power to him. If he doesn't step down, then he needs to be involved, especially when it's a major vote and everyone's input is needed.

Either way, he is a pompous ass and showed that today with his response to McCain asking him to go back to Washington also...

Bush showed up for the debates while attempting to run two wars

What's McCains problem?

[Trizzle]

Bush showed up for the debates while attempting to run two wars

What's McCains problem?

In all fairness, Bush really didn't have much to do with the wars other than starting them. He left it in the hands of his fucked up cabinet and stressed out generals.

[jabtay]

you're kidding me. wow - talk about partisan blindness.

obama - great all around talker/orator
biden - great at sound bites and attacks - a little weak when it comes to supporting his stances

mccain - great when discussing matters he has worked a lot on (foreign policy, defense). looks wooden when he starts talking about things he is not that familiar with (economics)
palin - great at speeches and prescribed interviews. starts to look like a yokel when asked questions she isn't that well informed about.

i think mccain will probably tie obama in this first debate since it's focus is foreign policy and obama will handily win the other two.

i think biden is going to eat palin alive. she has been asked a couple questions that have stumped her and she trips all over herself. i think mccain was smart to pick a woman because it gave his campaign a LOT of press and a positive bump, but this woman, i believe, will turn out to be a HUGE idiot.
no...im serious. no partisan blindness intended. if I am wrong, i will concede the fact. But from what i have seen, it will be interesting.

[YuppyKiller]

you're kidding me. wow - talk about partisan blindness.

obama - great all around talker/orator


Agreed. Other than that, garbage is all that follows.

biden - great at sound bites and attacks - a little weak when it comes to supporting his stances
Agreed. But very weak at being on the same page as Obama obviously.

mccain - great when discussing matters he has worked a lot on (foreign policy, defense). looks wooden when he starts talking about things he is not that familiar with (economics)
I've seen McCain pushed. I think he holds his own pretty well, can't be any worse than Obama when it comes to answering hard questions.. ta - ta - ta- TODAY JUNIOR!!

palin - great at speeches and prescribed interviews. starts to look like a yokel when asked questions she isn't that well informed about.
Again I state, Obama is a complete nincompoop when it comes to answering tough questions.. a 500 word essay to try and explain himself is not going to hold the attention spans of a lot of American's during a debate...

i think mccain will probably tie obama in this first debate since it's focus is foreign policy and obama will handily win the other two.

i think biden is going to eat palin alive. she has been asked a couple questions that have stumped her and she trips all over herself. i think mccain was smart to pick a woman because it gave his campaign a LOT of press and a positive bump, but this woman, i believe, will turn out to be a HUGE idiot.I wouldn't be so sure on the Biden/Palin thing. I'm sure she's been doing her home work. She's a pretty smart woman, but when it comes to experience in talking the talk, Biden has her beat by a long shot. It will be really interesting to see what happens :)

[XYNaPSE]

OMFG you're an idiot. Idk if you heard Obama today, but apparently we're supposed to "give the president a call" when he's needed. McCain is standing up like a president SHOULD and showing an example of what LEADERSHIP means. You my friend are a fucking moron.

Gimme a freakin break asshole. I heard Obama's speech and he said exactly what I said. Just in different words. He said that you have to handle more than one thing at a time. When he said gimme a call he was talking about congress and he followed up with stating that he talks with members of congress about the situation everyday. McCain is avoiding a presidential debate. I'm not the only one that thinks McCain is pulling a fast one and trying to avoid the debate. I've heard several people mention it. Economy is his weakness and he has admitted it. You should learn to control your emotions.

[TNathe]

The president tonight in his address to the nation (im surprised no one has posted this) said that both Obama and McCain were coming to Washington to give their 2 cents. Shouldnt they BOTH be there? Afterall, the decisions made within the next few weeks are decisions one or the other will have to deal with for the next 4 years.

[truffle_shuffle!]

great publicity stunt.. won't work.... his presidential hope is going down like a drunk prom date... Most people see Republican President, Republican Congress for all those years; and they see no relief for them... It's a BAD spot to be in for the GOP .

[Ralph]

Seriously, could this not wait another day? The debate has been planned for how long, and now McCain wants to postpone it for another time? How long has the economy been in the toilet? Does anyone think anything is going to get passed on Friday because John McCain and Barrack Obama show up? Though the economy is the absolute number one issue in the US, isnt' the presidential election a tad bit important as well? Both parties have members working on the issue night and day. What's the problem with them meeting the rest of the members in Congress on Saturday? How about tomorrow evening? What's the significance of postponing the debate on Friday? Does the bill have to be passed by then? Why not tonight? As we are all posting and reading this? Why isn't both Barrack Obama and John McCain on a flight this very second? Why couldn't this have been this past Monday?

[truffle_shuffle!]

Seriously, could this not wait another day? The debate has been planned for how long, and now McCain wants to postpone it for another time? How long has the economy been in the toilet? Does anyone think anything is going to get passed on Friday because John McCain and Barrack Obama show up? Though the economy is the absolute number one issue in the US, isnt' the presidential election a tad bit important as well? Both parties have members working on the issue night and day. What's the problem with them meeting the rest of the members in Congress on Saturday? How about tomorrow evening? What's the significance of postponing the debate on Friday? Does the bill have to be passed by then?

It's a shell game...

Bait and Switch at best...

[Ralph]

Oh, you are quick grasshopper, I was in the middle of my edit. Carry on.

[YuppyKiller]

Gimme a freakin break asshole. I heard Obama's speech and he said exactly what I said. Just in different words. He said that you have to handle more than one thing at a time. When he said gimme a call he was talking about congress and he followed up with stating that he talks with members of congress about the situation everyday. McCain is avoiding a presidential debate. I'm not the only one that thinks McCain is pulling a fast one and trying to avoid the debate. I've heard several people mention it. Economy is his weakness and he has admitted it. You should learn to control your emotions.

Hey how about McCain's already tried to debate w/ that douche bag 10 times.. I do remember McCain calling for 10 townhall meetings and Obama turning down every one of them. McCain sets a new date on this one to handle a bigger issue and all of the sudden McCain's wrong. What is it w/ the libs and thinking that Obama is perfect..

Sorry for being emotional but after seeing all these stupid people, I have to start calling them out.

[truffle_shuffle!]

Hey how about McCain's already tried to debate w/ that douche bag 10 times.. I do remember McCain calling for 10 townhall meetings and Obama turning down every one of them. McCain sets a new date on this one to handle a bigger issue and all of the sudden McCain's wrong. What is it w/ the libs and thinking that Obama is perfect..

Sorry for being emotional but after seeing all these stupid people, I have to start calling them out.


Dude you act like Townhall's aren't scripted...

You do realize that they other presidential races have had way worse issues to deal with and they still had the debate...


I can understand going back to washington; but how hard is it to fly to Ole' Miss for a few hours and fly back??

[Ralph]

I think the problem is the timing of McCain's announcement.

[XYNaPSE]

Does the bill have to be passed by then?

The Administration and the Chairman of the Board of Governors for the Federal reserve and the Secretary of the U.S. Treasury have given congress one week to decide on giving $700 billion dollars to bail out wall street. They imply that if it doesn't happen really soon, like yesterday, that our economy will have a meltdown resembling the Great Depression or worse. This could happen on Monday if the bill isn't passed. EVen if it is passed it could still happen. Congress doesn't like being pressured and given little time to make a significant decision. It most likely will not pass because of several reasons. We'll have to wait and see.

[truffle_shuffle!]

I think the problem is the timing of McCain's announcement.

Rumor has it that this may a scheme to get the VP debate canceled.

[YuppyKiller]

Dude you act like Townhall's aren't scripted...

You do realize that they other presidential races have had way worse issues to deal with and they still had the debate...


I can understand going back to washington; but how hard is it to fly to Ole' Miss for a few hours and fly back??


It's not the point of if it's scripted. It's the point that McCain has already offered. Yes this has been postponed but to what, next week. There's only 40 days left til election day. What's the big deal if it's done 3 or 4 days after it was supposed to be done?

Apparently the deadline for this bailout is Friday so things need to be done. As a Senator, Obama should realize this and take into consideration that this is the biggest economic problem since the great depression.

[truffle_shuffle!]

The Administration and the Chairman of the Board of Governors for the Federal reserve and the Secretary of the U.S. Treasury have given congress one week to decide on giving $700 billion dollars to bail out wall street. They imply that if it doesn't happen really soon, like yesterday, that our economy will have a meltdown resembling the Great Depression or worse. This could happen on Monday if the bill isn't passed. EVen if it is passed it could still happen. Congress doesn't like being pressured and given little time to make a significant decision. It most likely will not pass because of several reasons. We'll have to wait and see.


I know I have to think about spending a grand.... I think with 700 Billion dollars at stake I think they should just do a little questioning..

I love how the fundimentals of the economy are very strong to the new McCain line of we may be in the depression by monday.

[truffle_shuffle!]

It's not the point of if it's scripted. It's the point that McCain has already offered. Yes this has been postponed but to what, next week. There's only 40 days left til election day. What's the big deal if it's done 3 or 4 days after it was supposed to be done?

Apparently the deadline for this bailout is Friday so things need to be done. As a Senator, Obama should realize this and take into consideration that this is the biggest economic problem since the great depression.

Like 4 hours out of the day will matter. It will get done or not done either way. The best thing to do is talk about this openly.


Shit they could do a debate in washington..

McCain is trying a Gimmick play ...

On days like this the GOP looks like fucking dip shits for not supporting Ron Paul; their strongest asset when it comes to Economic Policy.

[YuppyKiller]

Like 4 hours out of the day will matter. It will get done or not done either way. The best thing to do is talk about this openly.


Shit they could do a debate in washington..

McCain is trying a Gimmick play ...

On days like this the GOP looks like fucking dip shits for not supporting Ron Paul; their strongest asset when it comes to Economic Policy.

They could. It will get done and this whole thread won't even matter sooner or later.

[Trizzle]

no...im serious. no partisan blindness intended. if I am wrong, i will concede the fact. But from what i have seen, it will be interesting.

From what I've seen, I think Moldy summed it up pretty well.

[Trizzle]

The president tonight in his address to the nation (im surprised no one has posted this) said that both Obama and McCain were coming to Washington to give their 2 cents. Shouldnt they BOTH be there? Afterall, the decisions made within the next few weeks are decisions one or the other will have to deal with for the next 4 years.

I'm confused, Obama and McCain both said that they were going to team up and address the economic problems together....and they released a joint statement. So what's your point?

[YuppyKiller]

I'm confused, Obama and McCain both said that they were going to team up and address the economic problems together....and they released a joint statement. So what's your point?

You're right, Obama said that HE called McCain on the issue. Go Obama!! Yippee.. Idk what that guys talking about.

[Derek]

I'm confused, Obama and McCain both said that they were going to team up and address the economic problems together....and they released a joint statement. So what's your point?

The problem with passing this bill is on the republican side, mainly the house republican caucus. They cant get 50 members to vote with the Dems on a compromise bill. They want to add bullshit like a suspension of capital gains taxes.

On the other side Obama has told Democratic house and senate leaders to do what it takes to pass it, even if they can not include policies democrats were hoping to get included (other than oversight of the money), like new bankruptcy laws and another economic stimulus package.

So it makes sense for McCain to try and get his party together.

[truffle_shuffle!]

The problem with passing this bill is on the republican side, mainly the house republican caucus. They cant get 50 members to vote with the Dems on a compromise bill. They want to add bullshit like a suspension of capital gains taxes.

On the other side Obama has told Democratic house and senate leaders to do what it takes to pass it, even if they can not include policies democrats were hoping to get included (other than oversight of the money), like new bankruptcy laws and another economic stimulus package.

So it makes sense for McCain to try and get his party together.

I wouldn't be surprised if this causes a Schism in the Republican Party between Neo Cons and Libertarians.

[Trizzle]

I wouldn't be surprised if this causes a Schism in the Republican Party between Neo Cons and Libertarians.

I would. I can't really imagine Republicans not working in lock-step (with the exception of Ron Paul and maybe 1 or 2 others).

[truffle_shuffle!]

I would. I can't really imagine Republicans not working in lock-step (with the exception of Ron Paul and maybe 1 or 2 others).

I can see Ron Paul standing in congress and refusing to stop speaking.. I would love to see him pull a Huey Long and just filibuster to exaustion.

I can see Republicans trying to distance themselves from the core of the party.. like rats jumping off a sinking ship. I wouldn't doubt they start using the term libertarian more and more.

[Derek]

Looks like house and senate Dems have bill ready to do, meet with republicans tomorrow.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE48N91R20080925

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic Rep. Barney Frank said on Wednesday Democrats had reached an agreement on a financial bailout plan, and there would be enough votes to pass it and send it to President George W. Bush to sign into law.

"We now have between House and Senate Democrats an agreement on what we think should be in the bill, and we have a meeting scheduled at 10 a.m. tomorrow to meet with the Republicans," said Frank, who chairs the House of Representatives Financial Services Committee.

Frank took a dig at Republican presidential nominee John McCain, who has interrupted his campaign to return to Washington on Thursday to help work on a bailout bill.

"All of sudden, now that we are on the verge of making a deal, John McCain here drops himself in to help us make a deal, Frank said. "I really worry about the politicalization."

The Massachusetts Democrat noted that a meeting on Capitol Hill on Thursday will be interrupted for a "photo op" at the White House with congressional Democrats and Republicans as well as Bush.

"We trying to rescue the economy, not the McCain campaign," Frank said.

"Earlier today it became clear to me we would get the votes to pass this bill," Frank told CNBC in an earlier interview. He said it could take a few days to craft final legislation.

Asked whether the bill will have provisions on the controversial issue of executives' pay, Frank said: "I know we have to do something about CEO compensation. House and Senate Democrats have some good agreement on this. We are going to say no golden parachutes."

Guess they have commitment from enough republicans...

[truffle_shuffle!]

Looks like house and republican Dems have bill ready to do, meet with republicans tomorrow.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE48N91R20080925



Guess they have commitment from enough republicans...

Yeah the republicans that want to have seats after all of this.

[moldyhands]

Hey how about McCain's already tried to debate w/ that douche bag 10 times.. I do remember McCain calling for 10 townhall meetings and Obama turning down every one of them. McCain sets a new date on this one to handle a bigger issue and all of the sudden McCain's wrong. What is it w/ the libs and thinking that Obama is perfect..

Sorry for being emotional but after seeing all these stupid people, I have to start calling them out.obama knows that having that many debates really lessens the impact of the debates. there are two things that can really break a campaign: 1) a huge gaff like howard dean's "yehawwww" or 2) a bad debate. obama feels his strengths are the debates and he doesn't want to dilute their impact. i totally agree with this stance and if i were campaigning for prez, i wouldn't want more than 3 debates either.

[YuppyKiller]

obama knows that having that many debates really lessens the impact of the debates. there are two things that can really break a campaign: 1) a huge gaff like howard dean's "yehawwww" or 2) a bad debate. obama feels his strengths are the debates and he doesn't want to dilute their impact. i totally agree with this stance and if i were campaigning for prez, i wouldn't want more than 3 debates either.


That's fine, but it's the fact that he turned them down for no apparent reason. The only reason I even brought it up was because some people are bashing McCain for delaying friday's debate until this whole Economy thing gets resolved. It is part of his job like someone earlier mentioned.

[truffle_shuffle!]

That's fine, but it's the fact that he turned them down for no apparent reason. The only reason I even brought it up was because some people are bashing McCain for delaying friday's debate until this whole Economy thing gets resolved. It is part of his job like someone earlier mentioned.


You know Carter and Regan debated in the Iran Hostage Crisis right???

And yet again it's not like they can't have a debate within DC.

[Derek]

Letterman was pissed lol

YouTube - David Letterman Reacts to John McCain Suspending Campaign

[Derek]

here is a funny video of sarah being prayed over by a witch hunter. Kind of funny...

YouTube - Sarah Palin Gets Protection From Witches

[truffle_shuffle!]

Hey Sarah Palin... It's kinda sad when ever Katie Couric makes you look like your tarded.

YouTube - CBS Sarah Palin interview

[jabtay]

I'm not the only one that thinks McCain is pulling a fast one and trying to avoid the debate. I've heard several people mention it. Economy is his weakness and he has admitted it. You should learn to control your emotions.
But not everyone thinks that...believe it or not.

[jabtay]

On the other side Obama has told Democratic house and senate leaders to do what it takes to pass it, even if they can not include policies democrats were hoping to get included (other than oversight of the money), like new bankruptcy laws and another economic stimulus package.
So they cant get their pork barrel projects put into the bill, but they can put in another evil economic stimulus package...you mean they actually work :gordy:

[jabtay]

From what I've seen, I think Moldy summed it up pretty well.
There is a reason we are not a socialist country right now...because people see things differently ;)

[jabtay]

Congress doesn't like being pressured and given little time to make a significant decision.
:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: you mean to tell me congress actually works? They have been doing a hell of a job the last 2 years...i love paying 4 dollars a gallon for gas

[Joe]

Looks like house and senate Dems have bill ready to do, meet with republicans tomorrow.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE48N91R20080925



Guess they have commitment from enough republicans...


The biggest issue the republicans have in the bill is the "golden parachutes" for millions of subprime people.

The government can loan money to big businesses at a decent interest rate and expect to be repaid... if they "loan" anything to the subprime borrowers, we'll never get repaid, and our kids and the kids of our kids will have to absorb the cost...

Democrats are all about handing out "free" money to the "helpless" people... the problem is that "free" money is actually MY money and the money of everyone else who pays taxes...

[YuppyKiller]

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: you mean to tell me congress actually works? They have been doing a hell of a job the last 2 years...i love paying 4 dollars a gallon for gas

+1

[Tripw0l]

There is a reason we are not a socialist country right now...because people see things differently ;)

Fair enough 8)

[moldyhands]

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: you mean to tell me congress actually works? They have been doing a hell of a job the last 2 years...i love paying 4 dollars a gallon for gasyou're actually going to try to pin high oil costs on the democrats when we have two oil men in the white house, our energy policy was set by cheney back in 2005 in secret with energy company representatives. you're going to blame congress? this is squarely on the administration.

[jabtay]

you're actually going to try to pin high oil costs on the democrats when we have two oil men in the white house, our energy policy was set by cheney back in 2005 in secret with energy company representatives. you're going to blame congress? this is squarely on the administration.
Sure I can blame them...what have they done to try to fix the issue? Oh yeah, nothing. But im sure if i were a CTer, I could possibly read into something about the admin trying to make congress look bad.

[XYNaPSE]

I love the reactions from the right. :lol: Going back to the topic of this thread now. Turns out McCain went to the Clinton Global Initiative and he's going to Washington. Also turns out Obama spoke to the Clinton Global Initiative via satellite and gave a great speech and he will also go to Washington. Then Obama will be in Mississippi to debate tomorrow. So he's doing everything that McCain is doing and more. :lol:

[XYNaPSE]

Also notice that eventhough he suspended his campaign his campaign ads r still showing.

[TNathe]

It'll be interesting to see if the election gets suspended as well. Can this or has this ever happened?

[Zealot]

Also notice that eventhough he suspended his campaign his campaign ads r still showing.

Also realize that tv air time is purchased way in advance and under a contract

[XYNaPSE]

Also realize that tv air time is purchased way in advance and under a contract

I could have sworn I heard McCain saying they were pulling the ads. I'll have to look it up.

[TNathe]

what will happen with the election in Nov then? why would one pull the ads for their campaign if they intended on running for election in Nov?

[XYNaPSE]

what will happen with the election in Nov then? why would one pull the ads for their campaign if they intended on running for election in Nov?

Temporarily suspending his campaign and trying to postpone the debate. The election goes on. Looks like McCain jumped the gun though. They came to an agreement on the bill today so it looks like their is no reason for him not to be at the debate.

[jabtay]

Temporarily suspending his campaign and trying to postpone the debate. The election goes on. Looks like McCain jumped the gun though. They came to an agreement on the bill today so it looks like their is no reason for him not to be at the debate.
I dont see why he wouldnt make it, if its the bill is a done deal.

[Bellissima]

Hey Sarah Palin... It's kinda sad when ever Katie Couric makes you look like your tarded.

YouTube - CBS Sarah Palin interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbg6hF0nShQ)

Well that was a little painful to watch. No wonder they keep her from the press. :neutral:

[Derek]

Also realize that tv air time is purchased way in advance and under a contract

And all his campaign surrogates being on TV today?

[XYNaPSE]

Ok. This is getting pretty sick. The Democrats announce they have made a deal earlier today. Now the Republicans come on tv and say they haven't come up with a deal and that they will announce it at 4:00 today when McCain gets there so they can show that he had some decision in making the deal. lol Told you it was all a show.

[moldyhands]

I dont see why he wouldnt make it, if its the bill is a done deal.agreed. and from a totally non-political standpoint, obama will absolutely skewer mccain if mccain backs out of the debate now.

while i understand that there is probably days of prep involved in a debate and mccain might not be totally prepared, the general public will not be as forgiving.

[Joe]

Clinton doesn't seem to think that McCain's move was a political stunt...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/bill-clinton-lavishes-praise-on-mccain/

??

[Derek]

Clinton doesn't seem to think that McCain's move was a political stunt...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/bill-clinton-lavishes-praise-on-mccain/

??

Clinton is acting like a jackoff with his apathetic attitude toward this election, also he wants Hillary to run in 2012.

Guy has sour grapes over his wife loosing to a black guy no one has ever heard of (tells you something about how much disdain there really is for Hillary).

[YuppyKiller]

Clinton is acting like a jackoff with his apathetic attitude toward this election, also he wants Hillary to run in 2012.

Guy has sour grapes over his wife loosing to a black guy no one has ever heard of (tells you something about how much disdain there really is for Hillary).


Unfortunately for you he isn't lying.

And that Sarah Palin interview was brutal.

[BAMF]

You people are a fucking joke. Seriously.

One of these guys could cut out their liver and give it to a needy child and if they didn't have the letter next to their name that you support, you'd talk all sorts of bad stuff about them.

McCain did a good thing. Was it partially politically motivated? Sure. But its also what people need to be doing right now. I don't give a fuck about hearing the same crap from you I've heard for the past few months and will hear until election day. I get it already, you're both the right choice and the other one if the wrong choice. Now get your sorry asses back into Washington and earn your paycheck.

[moldyhands]

You people are a fucking joke. Seriously.

One of these guys could cut out their liver and give it to a needy child and if they didn't have the letter next to their name that you support, you'd talk all sorts of bad stuff about them.

McCain did a good thing. Was it partially politically motivated? Sure. But its also what people need to be doing right now. I don't give a fuck about hearing the same crap from you I've heard for the past few months and will hear until election day. I get it already, you're both the right choice and the other one if the wrong choice. Now get your sorry asses back into Washington and earn your paycheck.well first, i really wanted to see the debate, so i'm pretty bummed about that. second, the bill has already been drafted, both parties have negotiated provisions, and i don't see how mccain or obama is going to really make anything go smoother. quite opposite in fact, i think the democrats are going to purposely try to upstage/disagree with anything mccain suggests and the republicans are going to purposely do the same to obama. so actually, i think them getting involved probably hurts passage of the bill.

that being said, i fully support anything that occurs that ruins this bill. i do not want a bail out. i think a bail out will only make matters worse and i think paulson and the other financial cronies are too stupid to realize this. and before anyone points out that they're the tops in the field and i'm just an accountant - i have been posting for a while that the housing market was unsupportable while these "experts" on wall street have thought otherwise.

[BAMF]

^ I'd take a 1/10 chance that they'll actually come up with something relevant over hearing them say the same shit they've been saying this entire time. Now is their time to actually show us that they're worth a shit. Its going to be very difficult to lend us any kind of helping hand and not making completely stupid choices. I think the coming voting records will be very, very important. And votes of 'present' speak volumes about canidates.

And I'm not even getting into my feelings on this bill. Thats another thread.

[1997 GA16DE]

Agreed on the Palin Interview. It was hard for even ME to watch. It's painfully obvious, now, that she cannot be let in front of a camera because she is THAT bad.

I'm sorry to have to put someone on the spot, here, but jebtay, I can't help than give you more credit than you're showing right now. What I mean is, when you speak, all I see coming out is a bunch of political nonsense, just trying to say whatever to debunk all of the mistakes that have been made by the people on the Republican side. Neither party is perfect, well, who am I kidding, they're both a joke, but you seem to think that the Republican party may very well be perfect, and that there's always a Dem behind every political and economical screw-up. Very possibly, if you could look past your own ideals maybe you'd see a little fact in the distance.

I don't really know how to correctly explain the way I think, but I've always had an engineer state of mind my entire life. Decisions don't come so easily when you play out the faults and benefits of a 2-sided decision. There is no good and evil, there is no black or white. Ask me a question and I'll give you a 10-part answer. I am not a Dem or a Rep, I personally hate both sides.

The thing is this, I don't particularly like Obama, I was against him during the democratic nomination. The reason I like him now is that McCain is the other choice. I've seen the way they both run their campaign, I've seen both of their goals, I've seen the people who influence their decisions, I've seen how they relate both to the nation and to the world. McCain is making the Republican party look like a bunch of fools and Palin is doing even worse.

For the record, postponing this debate, I can't see any strategy in that. You can't push back election day. Just to let ya'll know, because of my location, I register for an absentee ballot. Now, I don't need it to get there until election day, so I have some time, but I just got mine today and so did many other Americans. Time's up. You're way too close to the election to re-plan your game.

[Zealot]

Agreed on the Palin Interview. It was hard for even ME to watch. It's painfully obvious, now, that she cannot be let in front of a camera because she is THAT bad.

:lmao::lol::lmao::lol:
Seriously, it wasn't that bad. she only fumbled 2 questions. I can pull twice as many clips of both Biden and Obama stumbling over themselves. Also, I would love to see anyone ask Biden what Obama has done in his tenure as a senator. He would do the exact same thing

[YuppyKiller]

For the record, postponing this debate, I can't see any strategy in that. You can't push back election day. Just to let ya'll know, because of my location, I register for an absentee ballot. Now, I don't need it to get there until election day, so I have some time, but I just got mine today and so did many other Americans. Time's up. You're way too close to the election to re-plan your game.

Yeah except for the simple fact that he's focusing on the biggest economic disaster since the Depression.... and Obama wants to go to a debate that he's going to get destroyed in.. makes sense.

[YuppyKiller]

:lmao::lol::lmao::lol:
Seriously, it wasn't that bad. she only fumbled 2 questions. I can pull twice as many clips of both Biden and Obama stumbling over themselves. Also, I would love to see anyone ask Biden what Obama has done in his tenure as a senator. He would do the exact same thing

Yeah you're right. Obama especially, anything even remotely difficult of a question he studders like a mad man.

[truffle_shuffle!]

more of that zany Pailin.......


COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?

YouTube - Sarah Palin Interview (Katie Couric) - Comedy Gold 2


PALIN: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land-- boundary that we have with-- Canada. It-- it's funny that a comment like that was-- kind of made to-- cari-- I don't know, you know? Reporters--

COURIC: Mock?

PALIN: Yeah, mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah.

COURIC: Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials.

PALIN: Well, it certainly does because our-- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia--

COURIC: Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?

PALIN: We have trade missions back and forth. We-- we do-- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is-- from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to-- to our state.

[YuppyKiller]

more of that zany Pailin.......


COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?

YouTube - Sarah Palin Interview (Katie Couric) - Comedy Gold 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZgyrfbC20)


PALIN: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land-- boundary that we have with-- Canada. It-- it's funny that a comment like that was-- kind of made to-- cari-- I don't know, you know? Reporters--

COURIC: Mock?

PALIN: Yeah, mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah.

COURIC: Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials.

PALIN: Well, it certainly does because our-- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia--

COURIC: Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?

PALIN: We have trade missions back and forth. We-- we do-- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is-- from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to-- to our state.


She had an off day... let's go count biden/obama's off days.. And it's just what was said before, there were only 2 questions she had difficulty answering. But whatever she got PAL-OWNED :lol:

[Bellissima]

I seriously shook my head after watching her interview tonight.

[truffle_shuffle!]

She had an off day... let's go count biden/obama's off days.. And it's just what was said before, there were only 2 questions she had difficulty answering. But whatever she got PAL-OWNED :lol:

I know; but maybe that's the reason she hasn't been in the public light???

Seriously; I don't expect genius level inteligence, but atleast she could piece together a complete thought.

[Trizzle]

I know; but maybe that's the reason she hasn't been in the public light???

Seriously; I don't expect genius level inteligence, but atleast she could piece together a complete thought.

I honestly think that she's freezing up under pressure simply because she hasn't properly prepared herself for these kinds of questions. She really has nothing to bring to the table other than a vagina.

[truffle_shuffle!]

I honestly think that she's freezing up under pressure simply because she hasn't properly prepared herself for these kinds of questions. She really has nothing to bring to the table other than a vagina.

After all those kids , I bet he Vajeen looks like sleve of wizard...

[YuppyKiller]

I honestly think that she's freezing up under pressure simply because she hasn't properly prepared herself for these kinds of questions. She really has nothing to bring to the table other than a vagina.

Yeah well unfortunately the only thing Obama brings to the table is his vagina too...

[moldyhands]

Yeah well unfortunately the only thing Obama brings to the table is his vagina too...
i haven't seen you posting much, but since you've popped up you've instantly struck me as the blind supporter type. you know, you make a lot of angry posts. talk about how anyone that doesn't support your candidate is an idiot. will never admit that your candidates do wrong. etc.

now you're wanting to respond that either myself or others are guilty of this, you're going to point out the one time you said something you didn't like about mccain, or you're going to start being a little more level headed. any of those responses will make me laugh :lol:

[XYNaPSE]

i haven't seen you posting much, but since you've popped up you've instantly struck me as the blind supporter type. you know, you make a lot of angry posts. talk about how anyone that doesn't support your candidate is an idiot. will never admit that your candidates do wrong. etc.

now you're wanting to respond that either myself or others are guilty of this, you're going to point out the one time you said something you didn't like about mccain, or you're going to start being a little more level headed. any of those responses will make me laugh :lol:

All they are doing is mimicking the radio talk shows. If you listen to them you will see that they are going nuts. It's rediculous. I listen to Rush Limbaugh Glenn Beck on 970 AM. All they do all day is whine about everything but themselves and imply they are the savior and tell how they have warned about this and act very angry. I think they're having a meltdown.

[Political_Man]

All they are doing is mimicking the radio talk shows. If you listen to them you will see that they are going nuts. It's rediculous. I listen to Rush Limbaugh Glenn Beck on 970 AM. All they do all day is whine about everything but themselves and imply they are the savior and tell how they have warned about this and act very angry. I think they're having a meltdown.

Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, this is Pot.

[HullBreach]

Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, this is Pot.

Blind adherance to an ideology is always obnoxious - When its to the opposing ideology to which you blindly adhere.

[XYNaPSE]

Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, this is Pot.

O bullshit. I'm talking about Glenn Beck, Schmitt and Rush Limbaugh. WHo do I listen too? Them. There is no radio talk show for my views that I know of that screams propaganda every day all day while I commute from here to there. I myself really don't listen to any one person for my views. I have to research to get my point of view myself. So go ahead and accuse me of being hypocritical when there is no radio station that will point me in the right direction that I can listen to everyday.

[HullBreach]

O bullshit. I'm talking about Glenn Beck, Schmitt and Rush Limbaugh. WHo do I listen too? Them. There is no radio talk show for my views that I know of that screams propaganda every day all day while I commute from here to there. I myself really don't listen to any one person for my views. I have to research to get my point of view myself. So go ahead and accuse me of being hypocritical when there is no radio station that will point me in the right direction that I can listen to everyday.

On the three you mentioned I'd like to opine.

Schnitt
Not ready for primetime, seems to spend most of his show spouting whatevers on Drudge at the moment. His global warming info dump is pretty damn awesome, but thats really all he's got going for him. Humor is pretty sophmoric, and he should have stuck to his morning show.

Rush
I think he's probobly one of the best orators of our time, regardless of his politics. I really like the way he points out the history and backgrounds of situations that come up. The guy is an unapolegetic conservative, so if you go to this trough looking for moderation you'll be disapointed. I know quite a few liberals who listen to him simply to try and better understand the other side, and I think thats a good thing.
I wish the left had an equivelent that I could listen to.

Glenn Beck
Probobly some of the best radio and TV on the air right now, Glenn isn't burdened by the need to be the epitome of conservatism like rush, but espouses a much more middle-of-the-road mainstream conservatism. The interveiw segments he does are generally fantastic, particularly the ones he's done with some Oil Executives.
I don't see eye to eye with him on everything, but as broadcast pundits go he's the closest to my points of veiw. Besides, even if you disagree with him, he is a humble and generally nice guy. He isn't the "Well your wrong and dumb" sort of pundit.

[Political_Man]

O bullshit. I'm talking about Glenn Beck, Schmitt and Rush Limbaugh. WHo do I listen too? Them. There is no radio talk show for my views that I know of that screams propaganda every day all day while I commute from here to there. I myself really don't listen to any one person for my views. I have to research to get my point of view myself. So go ahead and accuse me of being hypocritical when there is no radio station that will point me in the right direction that I can listen to everyday.

I get the impression that you think you are clever in your responses. You aren't. Focusing on "radio" sources as a means to deflect debate is transparent.


There are plenty of Liberal sources for "research" to regurgitate. It's pretty obvious that you've found a good many of them.

[jabtay]

So go ahead and accuse me of being hypocritical when there is no radio station that will point me in the right direction that I can listen to everyday.
Before you start screaming fairness doctrine, get xm and knock your self out with all of the lefties on Air America...oh wait, they changed their name to America Left, i guess to poke fun at the conservative station America Right.

I have a feeling you would absolutely love randi rhodes, and that rachel maddow whack job.

[XYNaPSE]

I get the impression that you think you are clever in your responses. You aren't. Focusing on "radio" sources as a means to deflect debate is transparent.


There are plenty of Liberal sources for "research" to regurgitate. It's pretty obvious that you've found a good many of them.

I'm not avoiding debate. COme on P-man. :lol: I made a statement that you guys didn't like and you made a jab. I responded to your jab.

[Ralph]

Yeah except for the simple fact that he's focusing on the biggest economic disaster since the Depression.... and Obama wants to go to a debate that he's going to get destroyed in.. makes sense.


I would like to agree with you except based on what happened last night, he didn't utter a word until the last 3 or 4 minutes of the meeting. And from what I understand, it had zero substance. And oddly enough, it seems like John McCain, the Maverick, doesn't have a stand he's willing to speak on, at least at this moment. Did Barack Obama utter a word? I don't believe so, but Barack Obama also didn't inject himself or presidential politics into a series of meetings/negotiations that were already underway. Every single thing that Barack Obama and John McCain did or did not do last night could of been done via satellite or video conference. Everyone will have a different opinion, but from what most media outlets are reporting, everyone agree's that John McCains and Barack Obama's presence was not needed and did not help.

As far as the debate goes tonight, I hope John McCain shows up. And I hope you are right in saying that John McCain will destroy him in their first national debate. Because if you are wrong, and Obama holds his own or, destroys McCain, then I'm not sure what else there will be to say. If Obama gets owned then all the teleprompter jokes and notations that he can't speak for himself will be justified. But if he breaks down John McCain, well I don't know then. However, I would put money on it that someone will say that John McCain's focus wasn't on the debate, and more on the economy, etc, etc...you get the idea. Either way, I'm excited and hoping for it to be a great debate from both sides.

[jabtay]

We need debates without teleprompters...hell i could give a speech if it were off a teleprompter.

[Ralph]

And it looks like John McCain has changed his mind and will participating in tonight's debate.

[XYNaPSE]

I can't wait till this election is over.

[TampaDude]

I can't wait till this election is over.

+1 Yeah...at this point I really don't care all that much who wins...both candidates suck. At least we have January 21st, 2009 to look forward to...when the 2012 campaigns begin... :D

[Political_Man]

I'm not avoiding debate. COme on P-man. :lol: I made a statement that you guys didn't like and you made a jab. I responded to your jab.

You avoided what I said by focusing on radio personalities, as if someone needs to listen to the radio in order to regurgitate propaganda. It's your standard MO. You avoid the main issue, no matter what it is, and deflect by attempting to change focus, sometimes on trivial points.

Seriously. I say this with no emotion or judgment either way. I mean that. This is fun for you, I get it. I do. I've said before, I wasn't sure about you for a long time. I gotta give you credit.

[XYNaPSE]

You avoided what I said by focusing on radio personalities, as if someone needs to listen to the radio in order to regurgitate propaganda. It's your standard MO. You avoid the main issue, no matter what it is, and deflect by attempting to change focus, sometimes on trivial points.

Seriously. I say this with no emotion or judgment either way. I mean that. This is fun for you, I get it. I do. I've said before, I wasn't sure about you for a long time. I gotta give you credit.

I don't see your point. But whatever. Who gives a shit? Stop attacking me and talk about the issues. I'm here not avoiding anything you said. I said that people are just parroting Talk Radio propaganda in response to the quote. That was my statement. You came here and said pot kettle black crap. I said malarkey. End of story. McCain is back in the debate tonight.

[jabtay]

I don't see your point. But whatever. Who gives a shit? Stop attacking me and talk about the issues. I'm here not avoiding anything you said. I said that people are just parroting Talk Radio propaganda in response to the quote. That was my statement. You came here and said pot kettle black crap. I said malarkey. End of story. McCain is back in the debate tonight.
:lol: "talk radio propaganda". As opposed to the propaganda you consume? Thats all he was saying. grow some skin, and quit taking things personal.

[Zealot]

grow some skin, and quit taking things personal.

That's not possible for him. You're more likely to have a monkey run for president.

Oh, wait.... :gordy:

[1997 GA16DE]

Seriously; I don't expect genius level inteligence, but atleast she could piece together a complete thought.

You see this is a problem. No she could not piece together anything, she had no complete thought, she didn't know what to say or how to react. The only problam with Obama is he says "um" all the time, but if you want to compare the 2, Obama's ability to speak and make a point is FAR beyond that of Palin. I don't want to compare Obama's speech skills to Bush, but don't get me started.

IMO, Obama and McCain will do the same in the debate. If, in fact, Obama is not as good at speaking as McCain, it will be made up by the gap in knowledge. Particularly since the economy will be the hot topic of the debate and this is McCain's weak-point.

Unfortunately, I don't know all that much about Biden. All you hear is Palin this, Obama, that, and a little McCain. Fortunately, if I had to choose between Palin and Biden as a VP, especially with a high chance of VP taking over, I'd choose Biden. Palin is unfit for any politics, at least for another 5-10 years until she can bullshit her way through a conversation without looking like a surprised 5th grader. Any I hate to say that either president could pass away in office, but McCain is old, and Obama's possibly the first black president.

Please, please, do yourself a favor. Make yourself look somewhat intelligent and don't excuse Palin's horrible interviews. To say that her interview went well and that she was able to complete her thoughts only tells me that you're in such denial, that any debate on this forum is meaningless.

[1997 GA16DE]

i haven't seen you posting much, but since you've popped up you've instantly struck me as the blind supporter type. you know, you make a lot of angry posts. talk about how anyone that doesn't support your candidate is an idiot. will never admit that your candidates do wrong. etc.

now you're wanting to respond that either myself or others are guilty of this, you're going to point out the one time you said something you didn't like about mccain, or you're going to start being a little more level headed. any of those responses will make me laugh :lol:

*stands up and claps*:D

[YuppyKiller]

IMO, Obama and McCain will do the same in the debate. If, in fact, Obama is not as good at speaking as McCain, it will be made up by the gap in knowledge. Particularly since the economy will be the hot topic of the debate and this is McCain's weak-point.




Ha ha, like Obama knows what he's talking about on the Economy really?

[1997 GA16DE]

Ha ha, like Obama knows what he's talking about on the Economy really?

we'll have to watch and find out.

[YuppyKiller]

we'll have to watch and find out.

Indeed.