Quick Question... please help

[XxdycexX]

Im buying a new gun and was wondering how i go about as to getting put in my name? i know its not stolen ive had the numbers ran and i will be getting a bill of sale with it but wanna know who i send paperwork to, to make it mine.... thanks in advance

[neonnight]

why would you want to do that .. thats why people buy from a privet person NO PAPER WORK . if you know its clean and not stolen dont worry about it. most of my collection came from privet parties i like it that way no one needs to know what i own ..

[WeintraubRacing]

go tell a cop you bought a stolen gun but you want it in your name he'll help you out

[m1shooter]

There is no requirement to send any paperwork to anyone. The gun is yours when you take possesion. In fact, Florida law specifically forbids .gov from maintaining a list on anyone and what guns they own.

[Robopie]

http://www.tampaforums.com/forums/sports-recreation-fs/shooting-ammo-group-read-before-posting-questions-about-331764/

[XxdycexX]

ok thanks guys

[jabtay]

ok thanks guys
yeah...join my group

[85allison]

In the state of Florida a gun is never registered, even when you fill out an ATF4473 form it does NOT register that weapon to you. It only is for the background check. A gun is not in any system until it is reported stolen. You can however register your gun with the NRA if you are a member.

[Deuche]

if your just worried about the weapons BG google weapon check and youll fid many services that can check the serial for you. Other than that the beauty of florida is its a pro gun state... No registration required. Buy as many and as often as you can afford!!

[neonnight]

the call in consist of the firearm serial # make and model.. so it does but that firearm as you being the owner of it In the state of Florida a gun is never registered, even when you fill out an ATF4473 form it does NOT register that weapon to you. It only is for the background check. A gun is not in any system until it is reported stolen. You can however register your gun with the NRA if you are a member.

[85allison]

The call in does not consist of the serial number make and model, it only consist of type of gun IE: long gun or hand gun. and name of the person buying that type of gun.

[Deuche]

The call in does not consist of the serial number make and model, it only consist of type of gun IE: long gun or hand gun. and name of the person buying that type of gun.


Wrong

A call in consists of Long Gun or HG, Then Drivers license Identification in full name 1st middle last, Social, CWP yes no, Weapon Serial, Weapon Make and Model. Operators comes back with Go No go then No with stipulations or a confirmation number.


They check the system for the style of weapon then who you are By name and social asl for weapon info and then they say if you are allowed to own said weapon. When I was in Highschool i worked gun shows for shoot straight calling in Buyer applications. Easy 300 for a weekend.

[XxdycexX]

yeah...join my group

what group? pm details

[neonnight]

thank you .. dont you just love when people give the wrong info . Wrong

A call in consists of Long Gun or HG, Then Drivers license Identification in full name 1st middle last, Social, CWP yes no, Weapon Serial, Weapon Make and Model. Operators comes back with Go No go then No with stipulations or a confirmation number.


They check the system for the style of weapon then who you are By name and social asl for weapon info and then they say if you are allowed to own said weapon. When I was in Highschool i worked gun shows for shoot straight calling in Buyer applications. Easy 300 for a weekend.

[Deuche]

thank you .. dont you just love when people give the wrong info .


i think hes a cop... so he MUST know everything. ive never met a cop that i didnt know more about laws than.

[m1shooter]

The call in does not consist of the serial number make and model, it only consist of type of gun IE: long gun or hand gun. and name of the person buying that type of gun.
And this ladies and gentlemen is the truth. No S/N, No make model, ect. It amazes me how much crap people throw out that they have no clue about.

[Deuche]

And this ladies and gentlemen is the truth. No S/N, No make model, ect. It amazes me how much crap people throw out that they have no clue about.



it is not the truth... When you do a transfer all this information is requested!! I have done hundreds of them!!!!!

Heres a standard page one of a FFL transfer form. this is a generic form and not a florida form with BG check which has more info!! So plese STFU and tale y our 28 posts and go home!!

http://www.tampaforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8541&stc=1&d=1223834410

[m1shooter]

This is same guy that thinks if you disassemble a gun, it is no longer a firearm. :lmao:

You may have recorded all of that info on a 4473, but you would never have given that info to NICS operator. I hold a FFL.

A simple breakdown of the NICS in Florida:
http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/campusSecurity/docs/FloridasFirearmsPurchaseProgram1.pdf

[Deuche]

This is same guy that thinks if you disassemble a gun, it is no longer a firearm. :lmao:




Um no again you fucktards cant read. If you break the weapon down and is not operational then any carrier will ship it! if its an assembled weapon they will hold you to certain regulations or not ship it at all. If its non functional as in TWO SEPERATE PIECES AND BOXES you do not have to claim it as a firearm when shipping. Again ive done this a few times as well. And if you wanna know who told me that it was freaking UPS....

[m1shooter]

Um no again you fucktards cant read. If you break the weapon down and is not operational then any carrier will ship it! if its an assembled weapon they will hold you to certain regulations or not ship it at all. If its non functional as in TWO SEPERATE PIECES AND BOXES you do not have to claim it as a firearm when shipping. Again ive done this a few times as well. And if you wanna know who told me that it was freaking UPS....


If it is a receiver or frame, then it is a gun and must be declared. No Retard at UPS can give you permission the break federal law. They sure as hell aren't gonna stop Bubba from tickling your prostate in club fed.

Back to the topic at hand. I suggest that you read FS 790.065 Sale and delivery of firearms.--
Specifically:
4(c) Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to allow the State of Florida to maintain records containing the names of purchasers or transferees who receive unique approval numbers or to maintain records of firearm transactions.

Try reading before speaking.

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[m1shooter]

http://www.tampaforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8541&stc=1&d=1223834410[/QUOTE]
There's nothing standard about that form! You posted a Washington State form in reference to a Florida question...:lol:
That's not even a Federal document! You're too funny! You have no clue what you're talking about! Take your 3100 useless, wrong informational posts and go.

[TampaShootersNet]

Wrong

A call in consists of Long Gun or HG, Then Drivers license Identification in full name 1st middle last, Social, CWP yes no, Weapon Serial, Weapon Make and Model. Operators comes back with Go No go then No with stipulations or a confirmation number.


They check the system for the style of weapon then who you are By name and social asl for weapon info and then they say if you are allowed to own said weapon. When I was in Highschool i worked gun shows for shoot straight calling in Buyer applications. Easy 300 for a weekend.

Um, this is totally false info Rob... Ha, Shoot Straight.. You were probably calling Nigeria and telling the call center over there everything they need to steal someones identity, I wouldn't gauge the law on stuff they do wrong.

Here is the facts and nothing but the facts;

1. Source: FBI
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/index.htm (Brady Implementation - Regulations)

2. Source: NRA-ILA
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/factsheets/read.aspx?ID=82

How does NICS actually work?

Once a dealer and buyer are prepared to conclude a transfer, a retailer who does NICS checks by contacting the FBI system directly by phone will do the following:
1) Call a NICS operator by toll-free number and confirm his identity with his FFL number and dealer-selected password.
2) Provide the operator with the name, date-of-birth, sex and race of the potential buyer and the type of transfer--handgun or long gun. A buyer with a common name may, at his option, provide his Social Security number to help speed the check.
3) The system will check the data against its database of prohibited persons. If there is no "hit," the sale will be approved. The system will assign a NICS Transaction Number (NTN) to the approval. The dealer will log the NTN on the form 4473, and the transfer will proceed.
4) Partially completed forms 4473, where a proposed sale has been denied, will be required to be retained by the FFL per BATF regulations.
5) When a "hit" occurs, the dealer will receive instruction to delay the transaction. A "delay" response indicates that the check turned up information that requires further review by an analyst, who will contact the dealer by return call "within a couple of hours," the FBI says.
While the law provides three business days for the FBI to respond, the FBI anticipates that virtually every delay will be handled within a day. If records require further investigation, the FBI may take up to three days to issue either a proceed or a denial. There will be an appeals process for purchasers who feel they were denied in error, and dealers will be furnished with forms for this process.

[m1shooter]

Thank you tampashootersnet! It's good to see that someone else supports their position with facts, not made up BS.

[TampaShootersNet]

Thank you tampashootersnet! It's good to see that someone else supports their position with facts, not made up BS.

Those facts cannot be disputed either. The source is the FBI NICS.

I have bought alot of handguns, and always listen to the call in. Never has the dealers released the serial, model, or my social, DL #, etc... I don't even write my social on the 4473, or release it to the dealer or NICS since it's optional.

Oh, and here is the real form; (Pay close attention to page two)

http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/4473/index.htm

[neonnight]

i stand corrected .. i emailed my ffl and was told this .. i REALLY thought there was more to it then this but i guess there is not .. SO I AM SORRY FOR ADDING MY 2 CENTS WHEN I DIDNT HAVE IT TO ADD .. lol

" the paperwork will have the firearm that you are buying on it. But... It does not go into a registry of any kind. There is no registration in the state of Fl. There is a paper trail. But..Once the paperwork is filled out and all is done it goes into our books for future reference IF need be. Otherwise they will only be turned in once my FFL is relinguished or if it's pulled. THEN they go into storage in VA at the ATF warehouse AND it's not organized in any way. Mainly it's just a storage farm. So both of you are right in your own ways."

[Deuche]

are we talking personal or ffl? Every FFL transfer ive ever called in from private to private or out of state transfer, required all this info!!! and that form was not a washington state form. I even said it was a generic form.

Ive always recorded, SSN, Weapon Serial, Make and model... This was all requested when calling it in. Florida doesnt register or maintain records only whatYOU are allowed to own by your BG check. Im not gonna get in a pissing contest with you...

[TampaShootersNet]

are we talking personal or ffl? Every FFL transfer ive ever called in from private to private or out of state transfer, required all this info!!! and that form was not a washington state form. I even said it was a generic form.

Ive always recorded, SSN, Weapon Serial, Make and model... This was all requested when calling it in. Florida doesnt register or maintain records only whatYOU are allowed to own by your BG check. Im not gonna get in a pissing contest with you...


What are you talking about? Private to Private requires no call in or anything else besides cash from hand to hand, in fact, in the case of a private sale, you can't use NICS for a BG check. And there is no form other than the federal form 4473, other states may require other documentation, but not here in the gunshine state.

Who required this, because NICS doesn't ask it, nor do they care.

No pissing contest here, just trying to get the real facts out for those who don't know.

[m1shooter]

Yes, it is a Washington State form. See where it states "RCW 9.41.040" ? The number is the state statute for Washington state concerning firearms, much like FS 790 is ours here in Florida.

You are correct in that all kinds of info is recorded on a form. That form is ATF 4473. It stays with the dealer, not NICS. Nics only gets info about the buyer to determine their eligability.

There is no Private to Private BG check process; NCIS or otherwise.

Again, read, then talk.