MNF is showing that Brady is a system QB

[TrackStar]

Matt Cassal sucks ass but somehow is succeeding at the hardest position in the nfl... I wonder what this means...

:gordy:

[nipster]

It means Denver's defense sucks ass, and its rediculous we let them beat us...

[Gervais]

He just won for me in fantasy, too. Garrard was on a bye, so I picked up Cassel. I'll take it. :)

Drew

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Brady is still a hell of a QB.. but a lot of his success in the past is the product of his surrounding cast...

[TampaDude]

I figured the Pats would win at home, but I didn't expect it to be a blowout...wow...

[TrackStar]

No matter how bad denvers defense is, its better than any college defense youll see and better than any high school defense you'll see. Cassel didnt do shit at any of those levels but thanks to the system he is in, my grandma could succeed.

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No matter how bad denvers defense is, its better than any college defense youll see and better than any high school defense you'll see. Cassel didnt do shit at any of those levels but thanks to the system he is in, my grandma could succeed.

LMFAO.. seriously???

[TrackStar]

Which part? Denvers defense being better than lower level leagues or my grandma being able to play qb in the system?

Choose carefully, your perceived intellect is on the line...

[dan]

figures i bench randy moss because he hasnt done shit this year after brady went out, and he goes out and scores 100+ yards and 2 TDs. but i won FF without him anyways :P hell even pittman did well for me, had 70 something yards.

i wouldn't say brady was a pure system quarterback, but it was partial. he did have the surrounding cast as someone said. but that can be said for alot of QBs and players, they will do well in the right setup.

edit: cassel never had a chance to do anything, he went to USC and played under matt leinart and john david booty as a backup. apparently if he was good enough to go to USC, he was good enough to have played there had he had the chance. he could have had some real successes there, and probably not have ended up a perpetual backup.

[Patrick]

edit: cassel never had a chance to do anything, he went to USC and played under matt leinart and john david booty as a backup.

It was actually Leinart and Palmer.

[J-Dizzle]

god denver looked horrible and the look on mike Shanahans face was all you needed

[Patrick]

Matt Cassal sucks ass but somehow is succeeding at the hardest position in the nfl... I wonder what this means...

:gordy:

What do you know, another post by you that makes not a damn bit of sense. You say Cassel is succeeding because he is in a system? Where were you last week when they put up 10 points against SD or in week 3 when they put up 13 points against Miami? He's thrown 6 TD's and 4 Ints. How does that make him a product of the "system".

[TrackStar]

I said this last week too if you'd pay attention...

Even in those shitty performances he still maintained a 70+ qb rating on average. Since he hasn't played since he was in pop warner I bet this means one thing... can you guess?

[Lil Ze']

Then I guess every QB that has faced them is an amazing QB, except for Garcia. Because all of them have had over 100 QB Rating. Brady is not a system QB. The sooner you figure that out the less dumb you look.

Russell - 111.00
Cutler - 120.4
Brees - 110.2
Huard - 100.3
Garrard - 107.0
Cassel - 136.3
Besides Garcia QBs are averaging 114.15 QB Rating. In short you're an idiot.

[TrackStar]

Then I guess every QB that has faced them is an amazing QB, except for Garcia. Because all of them have had over 100 QB Rating. Brady is not a system QB. The sooner you figure that out the less dumb you look.

Russell - 111.00
Cutler - 120.4
Brees - 110.2
Huard - 100.3
Garrard - 107.0
Cassel - 136.3


... wtf argument are you trying to make that has to do with what I'm talking about?

[Lil Ze']

Sigh....

Anyone saying he had the surrounding cast has obviously never watched the Pats during their Superbowl runs and is basing that off of last year.

[Niggariffic]

No matter how bad denvers defense is, its better than any college defense youll see and better than any high school defense you'll see. Cassel didnt do shit at any of those levels but thanks to the system he is in, my grandma could succeed.So what your saying is that Belichek is one hell of a coach?

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Sigh....

Anyone saying he had the surrounding cast has obviously never watched the Pats during their Superbowl runs and is basing that off of last year.

um no... Brady doesn't win multiple Superbowl's alone...maybe you only watch Brady and dont understand the concept of a team... even Brady would tell you he won it b/c of his teammates and supporting cast...and yes we are aware he didnt have any big named WR's...

[clear]

... even Brady would tell you he won it b/c of his teammates and supporting cast...

Well any QB with his talent would tell you that, not Brady. FPOS.

IMO Cassel is playing great so far.

[Lil Ze']

um no... Brady doesn't win multiple Superbowl's alone...maybe you only watch Brady and dont understand the concept of a team... even Brady would tell you he won it b/c of his teammates and supporting cast...and yes we are aware he didnt have any big named WR's... Or a Line or stellar TE or prime time RB. Dillon was his only good RB, which he only had for one of those. Where in any of my posts did I say he won it alone? Without Brady however they would not have 3 Superbowl rings. Also he put up top QB numbers with nothing around him was the point I was making. The system argument is retarded. He has proved he can win no matter what is around him on OFFENSE.

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Or a Line or stellar TE or prime time RB. Dillon was his only good RB, which he only had for one of those. Where in any of my posts did I say he won it alone? Without Brady however they would not have 3 Superbowl rings. Also he put up top QB numbers with nothing around him was the point I was making. The system argument is retarded. He has proved he can win no matter what is around him.

how is the system argument retarded? NE built one hell of a system around him. They played as a team and we're very successful for many years. So he wins no matter what is around him? Come on dude.. I think you're having a little tunnel vision about your Pats once again...as we've mentioned 100x's much Brady's success all begins with his Offensive Line as we saw in the SB. Sub par off. line = very avg. quarter back. He is a pocket passer...given the time he'll pick you apart yes.. but there are a lot of Qb's that will pick a defense apart given the time. He's proved he can win no matter what is around him? NO HE HASN'T!! He's played his entire career in NE who built pretty much the closest thing to a dynasty that we've seen in the NFL in the past 20 yrs. If you take Brady and put him on a seller dweller your point would be proven wrong instantly. NE's defense was another reason he's so successful...the opposing teams defense was constantly on the field huffing and pufffing with their hands on their hips... remember the best offense is a solid defense...

[TrackStar]

Couple of points:

Not once was I saying he is a BAD QB. I'm just saying his numbers are inflatted because of the system he is in and its being proven by some shit head who has never even played football(its called exagerating since you people take shit word for word) doing well enough.

The patriots likely would of won that first super bowl with Drew Bledsoe had he not gotten hurt.

There was a system already in place and a supporting cast around him when Brady stepped in.

You don't have Antowain Smith getting 100 yard games over and over and rushing for 1100 yards in 2001 without a decent o-line.

He had a good defense that let him and belicheck play it safe on the offensive play calling for most of his career as well as play against tired defenses.

He wasn't a big numbers guy untill last year. The offense he was in played it safe and rode the defense. He managed games basically.

Matt Cassel sucks. His limited successs shows that NE has a good supporting cast and system in place. Because of this, it lends to the argument that Brady benefited from this.

At the end of the season we will be able to look back at Matt Cassels numbers and truely see how much of it is system and how much of it is Brady.



Just random thoughts. I think Brady is head and shoulders above Matt Cassel but none the less has benefitted from a good defense, a decent offensive line and smart play calling(save for last year).

If Cassel finishes this season with numbers similiar to Brady's rookie year then there is no more argument. Brady = system QB and sucks worst than I thought. I dont think cassel will do that though.

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Couple of points:

Not once was I saying he is a BAD QB. I'm just saying his numbers are inflatted because of the system he is in and its being proven by some shit head who has never even played football(its called exagerating since you people take shit word for word) doing well enough.

The patriots likely would of won that first super bowl with Drew Bledsoe had he not gotten hurt.

There was a system already in place and a supporting cast around him when Brady stepped in.

You don't have Antowain Smith getting 100 yard games over and over and rushing for 1100 yards in 2001 without a decent o-line.

He had a good defense that let him and belicheck play it safe on the offensive play calling for most of his career as well as play against tired defenses.

He wasn't a big numbers guy untill last year. The offense he was in played it safe and rode the defense. He managed games basically.

Matt Cassel sucks. His limited successs shows that NE has a good supporting cast and system in place. Because of this, it lends to the argument that Brady benefited from this.

At the end of the season we will be able to look back at Matt Cassels numbers and truely see how much of it is system and how much of it is Brady.



Just random thoughts. I think Brady is head and shoulders above Matt Cassel but none the less has benefitted from a good defense, a decent offensive line and smart play calling(save for last year).

If Cassel finishes this season with numbers similiar to Brady's rookie year then there is no more argument. Brady = system QB and sucks worst than I thought. I dont think cassel will do that though.

wow... did someone log in under your name??? best post you've ever made.... some very good points

[TrackStar]

Sometimes people can't see facts/intelligence when they are blinded by ego/anger.

I aim to blind people with ego/anger because it makes the arguments for entertaining.

[Lil Ze']

So you're both telling me he had a decent line in 2001, 2003 and 2004. Hmm.
2001 - Sacked 5th most in the league
2003 - Sacked 10th most in the league
2004 - Middle of the league in sacks

First 2 superbowls he had horrible lines.

He wasn't a big numbers guy until last year huh? Hmm.
Lead the league in yards in 2005 was also 3rd in TDs with not 1 number 1 receiver.

Lets talk about Smith. 4 100 yard games and 4.0 avg is good to you? He was 12th in the league in yards and 14th in the league in avg. They had a decent line for rushing, but I would never say Smith is great running back. He was pretty much absent through the playoffs.

He did have a good defense, but no Brady never drove his team down the field to win games. No he never did that.:roll: His defense was at the bottom of the league when he won his first superbowl.

Your so called system was in place in 2000. Bledsoe was 5-11 and had an average year. More excuses?

Yes Brady's rookie season and Cassel's is so comparable. Since Cassel has a much better offensive line, one of the best WR's ever and one of the best slot receivers in league. Yeah very comparable with Brady playing with a sub par line, sub par back and his lead receiver was Troy Brown.

I keep laughing at you like ha ha ha. You're not making anyone mad Nick. You can keep thinking that. This is just another place for me to talk sports and waste some time.

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ok then so let me get this straight.. you're pretty much saying Brady won them the Superbowl's?

[Lil Ze']

No not at all. It was a team win, but for the second time without Brady they would not have won those Superbowls or let alone been there. If you watched the entire Patriots season and playoffs you would probably know this. This system shit is retarded. Where does it end? Is Peyton a system QB? Is Farve a system QB?

[Niggariffic]

Men lie, women lie....numbers dont. There's maybe 3 teams in the league that wouldnt start a healthy Brady right now.