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Chuck 98 RT/10

10-25-2008, 09:43 PM

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."
-- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

"A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie."
-- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

"Only an armed people can be the real bulwark of popular liberty."
-- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Nope, not Obama. It just sounds like him.

Notladstyle

10-26-2008, 01:00 AM

umm, none of those sound like obama at all. failed thread.

Obama says, fuck your semi automatic handguns....

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And get me some fried chicked.

YuppyKiller

10-26-2008, 01:24 AM

umm, none of those sound like obama at all. failed thread.

Obama says, fuck your semi automatic handguns....

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And get me some fried chicked.

Actually Obama says... "If someone breaks in your house, you can't defend yourself

And I'm using skin color to get votes...

And get me some fried chicken".

Chuck 98 RT/10

10-26-2008, 02:05 AM

mmmm KFC

Tripw0l

10-26-2008, 03:00 AM

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/Tripw0l/the_communist_party_large.gif

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My house. Nov. 5th.

YuppyKiller

10-26-2008, 03:15 AM

^ where's the black guy that has big ears?

Tripw0l

10-26-2008, 03:16 AM

^ where's the black guy that has big ears?

He's small time.

YuppyKiller

10-26-2008, 03:19 AM

He's small time.

Still should be in the background at least... token style.

biggnick

10-26-2008, 09:59 AM

I think someone needs to study what a semi-automatic handgun is...

A semiautomatic handgun is a "one trigger pull per shot" gun, not a "hold the trigger down and fire like a madman" gun.

What, are we suppose to go back to powder-loading muskets now?

....unless your comment was suppose to be sarcastic. :)

YuppyKiller

10-26-2008, 12:24 PM

fish

10-26-2008, 12:42 PM

No Obama wants to make Hand guns illegal.

he has a "Plan"....

..... take away guns so no one will rob people of their hard earned money.....

.....before he does.

1997 GA16DE

10-26-2008, 01:20 PM

No Obama wants to make Hand guns illegal.

You got a citation for that?

Last I heard, he was only against assault rifles and fully automatics. You guys are really blowing this out of proportion. Small-caliber semi-automatics, hand guns, and hunting rifles aren't even NEAR danger of being taken away.

Also, you can thank local governments who write 99% of the gun laws you have to abide by.

Besides, Muslim Terrorists LOVE fully automatic weapons.

YuppyKiller

10-26-2008, 02:10 PM

PPGMD

10-26-2008, 02:36 PM

You got a citation for that?

Last I heard, he was only against assault rifles and fully automatics. You guys are really blowing this out of proportion. Small-caliber semi-automatics, hand guns, and hunting rifles aren't even NEAR danger of being taken away.

Lets assume (a HUGE assumption) that he doesn't have a problem with handguns, then why is he concentrating on a category of weapons that has so few murders in the US. Rifles (which includes assault weapons since there aren't enough to branch out the so called assault weapons) has the least murders of any weapon category that the FBI maintains. Twice as many people were killed with hands and fists then with all types of rifles.

Full automatic guns have been tightly regulated since the 1930's, and new manufacturing for civilian ownership has been banned since 1986. There is but a handful of murders committed with legally registered full auto guns since the 1930's.

Fact is, they want to take away all guns, take a look at the Brady campaign website, they have fact sheets for banning all guns.

Sniper rifles for example, the only difference between a sniper rifle, and a hunting rifle is what the gun is being pointed at.

The list goes on and on, they want all guns, but they concentrate on the easiest group to sell to the public first, "assault weapons," even though it's one of the least used weapons of all types.

It's not the gun that is the weapon, but the man wielding it. Lets deal with the social issues that cause most of our crime, drugs.

YuppyKiller

10-26-2008, 02:49 PM

^ Good point. And to add to your last sentence, it doesn't matter if you ban guns or not, they bad humans are going to get one whether it's registered or not.

1997 GA16DE

10-26-2008, 06:00 PM

From what I've seen (and let me just narrow it down to handguns), It seems that the problem Obama has with handguns are the ones being carried around and sold illegally.

You would have to agree that convicted felons lose many of their constitutional rights, rights like owning a gun. I don't disagree that McCain would be much more lenient on gun owners' rights (criminal or not), but I still think that the actual threat is completely disproportionate to the fear. If you have the right and the permit to own, hunt with, and/or carry something like a handgun or a rifle, there is absolutely no threat or fear of ever having any part of that right taken away.

Half of the gun laws out there are merely to keep watch over who owns a gun to make sure it doesn't fall into the wrong hands. These are unquestionable, common sense laws that keep both the sellers and the owners honest and law abiding. Same reason there are laws making it illegal for an adult to go around and sell alcohol/cigarettes to kids.

The Other half of the gun laws are somewhat questionable, such as what kind of weapons are allowed. For the most part, they like to get rid of militant-type weapons, but it mostly varies by your local laws.

PPGMD

10-26-2008, 06:54 PM

I guess you aren't a student of history, Obama has said that he is for a total ban of handguns, a national ban of concealed carry, he is for another assault weapon ban, among many other gun bans.

The VPC and the Brady's started attack sniper rifles after they got the first AWB passed, guess what sniper rifles are hunting rifle, just aimed at humans.

Cecil

10-26-2008, 08:06 PM

Stock up now.... very soon we will have lost many of our freedoms to usher in socialism at the hands of a unqualified, racist bigot.... one that the people actually voted in...

sad times gents.... sad times...

It's going to get much worse before it gets better....

EludeR

10-26-2008, 08:35 PM

You got a citation for that?

Last I heard, he was only against assault rifles and fully automatics. You guys are really blowing this out of proportion. Small-caliber semi-automatics, hand guns, and hunting rifles aren't even NEAR danger of being taken away.

Also, you can thank local governments who write 99% of the gun laws you have to abide by.

Besides, Muslim Terrorists LOVE fully automatic weapons.

When was the last time a "Muslim terrorist" ran postal down the streets with a Klashnikov or any fully auto here on our soil ? . The government is using this terrorisim excuse to render us all testicless and selfdefenseless so they can do whatever they want... it's a step towards either 1) A dictatorship 2) Non democratic nation. This is how people are best controlled... when you give them the notion that they need you more than anything and they must blindly follow and obey everything you tell them.

This is the united states of america ... or so I thought ... The last i heard we weren't the united sates of (Insert X religion or religious beliefs here). I believe if someone wants to have a 50 cal machine gun mounted on a giant penis with testicles hanging from underneath it on their house; than that is supposed to be there right as a American citizen to do so. Why do people not see that religion is actually causing more problems than it is solving ? Why do you guys blindly trust either of the politicians running for office ? They both suck and are not out there to represent the people ... they are out there to represent the companies and or private parties (if you recieve private funding) the best (Insert X CEO of said company ... or rich asshole with a political agenda).

Two things that should have no business in government;

1) Religion ! (Why the fuck are all these people concerned about who is the most religious).

2) Involvement in the private sector. Why the hell do we care about what company goes under - due to obvious negligence . Why the hell are our politicians involved with all these assholes ? Can't anyone see that there is obvious political corruption.

TNathe

10-26-2008, 08:43 PM

:bigthumb:

Cecil

10-26-2008, 09:29 PM

This is the United States of America

FIXED :roll:

Joe

10-26-2008, 09:39 PM

EludeR

10-26-2008, 09:42 PM

FIXED :roll:

Or whats left of it. Our differences between other European nations keep dwindling as time goes on. We will no longer have rights (if this trend keeps on dragging)... but conditional and circumstantial privileges that can be taken away at any time.

dan

10-26-2008, 10:17 PM

^ Good point. And to add to your last sentence, it doesn't matter if you ban guns or not, they bad humans are going to get one whether it's registered or not.

i think this is really the main point, which is why i think the gun bans are pointless and stupid. they end up only really taking guns away from the people who use them as tools. most of the people who want to use them as weapons/bad purposes, are going to get them some way or another.

Cecil

10-26-2008, 10:23 PM

Or whats left of it. Our differences between other European nations keep dwindling as time goes on. We will no longer have rights (if this trend keeps on dragging)... but conditional and circumstantial privileges that can be taken away at any time.

I hear ya!

1997 GA16DE

10-26-2008, 11:16 PM

When was the last time a "Muslim terrorist" ran postal down the streets with a Klashnikov or any fully auto here on our soil ? . The government is using this terrorisim excuse to render us all testicless and selfdefenseless so they can do whatever they want... it's a step towards either 1) A dictatorship 2) Non democratic nation. This is how people are best controlled... when you give them the notion that they need you more than anything and they must blindly follow and obey everything you tell them.

This is the united states of america ... or so I thought ... The last i heard we weren't the united sates of (Insert X religion or religious beliefs here). I believe if someone wants to have a 50 cal machine gun mounted on a giant penis with testicles hanging from underneath it on their house; than that is supposed to be there right as a American citizen to do so. Why do people not see that religion is actually causing more problems than it is solving ? Why do you guys blindly trust either of the politicians running for office ? They both suck and are not out there to represent the people ... they are out there to represent the companies and or private parties (if you recieve private funding) the best (Insert X CEO of said company ... or rich asshole with a political agenda).

Two things that should have no business in government;

1) Religion ! (Why the fuck are all these people concerned about who is the most religious).

2) Involvement in the private sector. Why the hell do we care about what company goes under - due to obvious negligence . Why the hell are our politicians involved with all these assholes ? Can't anyone see that there is obvious political corruption.
I agree with you, but you're very off topic and I was being humorous about the Muslim Terrorist comment. Just keep in mind, that it is the Bush/McCain Mentality that "We fight them over there or we fight them over here" Which is of course, bullshit because ther people we're fighting would never plan a militant-type attack on us, but rather a sacrificial attack. We are no more safe from such an attack then we were before, despite being questioned over toothpaste at the airport.

We have given up many, many of our freedoms because of fear of terrorism, and it has led us nowhere. By changing our way of living, we've already been defeated.

FYI.

Maybe you should research Obama before voting for him? :dunno:

He stated that he thinks the DC gun ban is constitutional. (in case you missed it , which you apparently did)What he says is that it's constitutional to take guns away from people who shouldn't have had them in the first place.

i think this is really the main point, which is why i think the gun bans are pointless and stupid. they end up only really taking guns away from the people who use them as tools. most of the people who want to use them as weapons/bad purposes, are going to get them some way or another.I agree, increased laws and increased penalties only lead to more violence, more resistance, and more underground.

Joe

10-26-2008, 11:34 PM

What he says is that it's constitutional to take guns away from people who shouldn't have had them in the first place.

You think every citizen within DC shouldn't have had them in the first place? :dunno:

Come on man, open your eyes while you swing from his nutsack.

Maybe you should research the DC gun ban before you hang on so tight... It does not just keep "illegal handguns" out of people's hands.

It only keeps legal guns out of law abiding citizens hands.

Rob.M

10-27-2008, 11:11 AM

I think Great Britain may disagree with you. It does not solve the problem but it does greatly reduce it, particularly since most illegal weapons used in crimes start out as legal weapons which are stolen.

^ Good point. And to add to your last sentence, it doesn't matter if you ban guns or not, they bad humans are going to get one whether it's registered or not.

PPGMD

10-27-2008, 11:19 AM

I think Great Britain may disagree with you. It does not solve the problem but it does greatly reduce it, particularly since most illegal weapons used in crimes start out as legal weapons which are stolen.

So just because someone breaks into a persons house (a crime), steals a gun (another crime), and then uses the gun to kill someone (yet another crime) that all gun owners should be punished.

Homicides in the UK have gone nothing but up (both per capita and total) since they instituted various gun ban. There has been no downward trend at all in any crime figure either, and in fact gun crime has gun up.

Chuck 98 RT/10

10-27-2008, 11:26 AM

So just because someone breaks into a persons house (a crime), steals a gun (another crime), and then uses the gun to kill someone (yet another crime) that all gun owners should be punished.

Isn't that the mindset of Americans and most societies? Rather than address the actual perpetrator let's limit the freedoms and conveniences of the masses. It will be much easier since the masses will obey the laws.

1997 GA16DE

10-27-2008, 10:00 PM

You think every citizen within DC shouldn't have had them in the first place? :dunno:

Come on man, open your eyes while you swing from his nutsack.

Maybe you should research the DC gun ban before you hang on so tight... It does not just keep "illegal handguns" out of people's hands.

It only keeps legal guns out of law abiding citizens hands.

I understand what the DC ban is/was. Every badly written law was written with a good intention in mind. The war is still on illegal gun owners, but unfortunately, takes many innocent people down with it. You should be able to relate because the war on terrorism takes all Americans down with it. I cannot think of a single law that doesn't, in a sense, 'ruin it for the rest of us.'

I disagree with the law, I do not disagree with the intent.

Duceanahalf

10-27-2008, 10:22 PM

Zealot

10-28-2008, 01:51 AM

Half of the gun laws out there are merely to keep watch over who owns a gun to make sure it doesn't fall into the wrong hands. These are unquestionable, common sense laws that keep both the sellers and the owners honest and law abiding.

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1997 GA16DE

10-28-2008, 07:12 PM

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Hahahahahaahahaha, Then I guess you are sooooo fucked. :P

YuppyKiller

10-28-2008, 07:19 PM

Hahahahahaahahaha, Then I guess you are sooooo fucked. :P

You have to admit your quote that he laughed at was pretty fucking stupid :lol::lmao:

1997 GA16DE

10-28-2008, 08:12 PM

You have to admit your quote that he laughed at was pretty fucking stupid :lol::lmao:
Hmmm, so in other words, you feel really smart to believe that all gun laws are merely in place just to run all of your fun?

I still stand by my argument. Roughly one half of the gun laws are designed to keep track of what hands a gun actually falls into. You need a license to sell liquor, you need a license to sell guns, what's so difficult to understand about that? Gun dealers are required to make sure a gun doesn't fall into the hands of a convicted felon or a child/teen. They make an attempt to keep them in the hands of actual responsible adults.

You wouldn't (well, shouldn't) give a driver's license to someone who repeatedly drives drunk and/or recklessly. You wouldn't give a huge loan to someone who has remarkably bad credit? It's the same ball game.

Deuche

10-28-2008, 11:17 PM

Half of the gun laws out there are merely to keep watch over who owns a gun to make sure it doesn't fall into the wrong hands. These are unquestionable, common sense laws that keep both the sellers and the owners honest and law abiding. Same reason there are laws making it illegal for an adult to go around and sell alcohol/cigarettes to kids.

The Other half of the gun laws are somewhat questionable, such as what kind of weapons are allowed. For the most part, they like to get rid of militant-type weapons, but it mostly varies by your local laws.

2nd amendment allows me to bear ARMS ANY ARMS its not descriptive on what i can and can not carry. I think the assault weapon ban is bullshit. When the Government has them, if we are to defend our freedoms from them even the playing field.

Your questionable section of the law? EVERY WEAPON IS MILITANT IN STYLE.... everything was designed from COMBAT. trace it back to Civil war, WWI, WWII everything from Combat was later released to civilians which became Hunting sporting etc etc... Automatic repeating rifles were designed for the US Army Calvary, Automatic repeating pistols were designed for the US Military and Calvary Soldier, Easier to fire repeatedly than reload a musket on horse back. The stigma of a Assault weapon or sniper rifle is bullshit. You can take any ANY ANY ANY military assault weapon thats actual an Assault weapon and give me a remington 700 CHILDS sporter rifle and i gurantee you i will do more damage with a Bolt action single shot rifle than that assault rifle will do.

Ignorance fuels bans. You probably cant tell me or show the difference between an assault weapon and a sporting weapon!

Taking away the weapons from the lawful leaves them vulnerable to the criminal who doesnt care and will find a way to own one.

EVEN THE PLAYING FIELD!!! PERIOD!

What would you fear more? and what do you classify as a militant assault weapon?

http://www.typo.org/~web/guns/remington-700-308.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a277/natpalmer/AICS47.jpg

now choose wisely and make yourself look stupid!!!

They are te exact same rifle... Remington Model 700 308 Hunting rifles.

Cecil

10-29-2008, 08:12 AM

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a277/natpalmer/AICS47.jpg

I love AI rifles :love:

Zealot

10-29-2008, 09:28 AM

Hmmm, so in other words, you feel really smart to believe that all gun laws are merely in place just to run all of your fun?

I still stand by my argument. Roughly one half of the gun laws are designed to keep track of what hands a gun actually falls into. You need a license to sell liquor, you need a license to sell guns, what's so difficult to understand about that? Gun dealers are required to make sure a gun doesn't fall into the hands of a convicted felon or a child/teen. They make an attempt to keep them in the hands of actual responsible adults.

You wouldn't (well, shouldn't) give a driver's license to someone who repeatedly drives drunk and/or recklessly. You wouldn't give a huge loan to someone who has remarkably bad credit? It's the same ball game.

I love you're scientifically derived statistic of half. If we go by your logic, then we need two laws. One that says don't sell to kids, and another that says don't sell to felons. Since there are far more than 4 laws in place, then it's easy to see that an extreme majority of gun laws are bullshit

Deuche

10-29-2008, 01:07 PM

I love AI rifles :love:

i butt rape mine alot:love:

YuppyKiller

10-29-2008, 05:36 PM

Sniper Rifles FTW!!!1!

NuclearWinter

10-29-2008, 05:43 PM

he has a "Plan"....

..... take away guns so no one will rob people of their hard earned money.....

.....before he does.
Wow, you are my hero lol :P

1997 GA16DE

10-29-2008, 07:23 PM

I love you're scientifically derived statistic of half. If we go by your logic, then we need two laws. One that says don't sell to kids, and another that says don't sell to felons. Since there are far more than 4 laws in place, then it's easy to see that an extreme majority of gun laws are bullshit

Well, that's not my logic at all. There should be age laws, criminal record laws, who's authorized to sell, who's permitted to keep a loaded weapon in their car on on their person while they're on the streets. Laws against bringing weapons into certain buildings, particularly schools, churches, government buildings, laws against people who pull a weapon out in a crowded area. Laws against firing in a public place, when not in a case of self-defense, etc. Most of this shit is common sense.

If it were up to me, the only weapons restrictions would be based on the following criteria: more than 1 round per trigger pull, effective range, and ability to pierce through a particular thickness of armor. Which leads me to this. The second amendment was written when we were still pouring powder into the end of our muskets.

Lastly, I'd prefer to see a system where people actually have some training under their belt before they just pick up any gun they damn well want at the local shop. Anyone with no training would be subject to a limited selection and a waiting period for criminal background check. Anyone who needs more than that can take a certain course based on what they want to own and use. Just like a driver's license and the different license classes you may require. At that point, they wouldn't need to ban certain weapons at all, just so long as you have proven to have enough common sense to own that type of gun.

Anyone care to share?