I don't know if this has been brought up but...

truffle_shuffle! · 02-02-2008, 01:58 PM

Will the Fact that John McCain wasnt born in the US ( he was born in the Panama Canal Zone because his father was in the Military) make his win (if he wins) the presidentcy Null and void due to the Native Natural Born Citizen provision to become President.

This is never been an issue before, but does anyone else think the Dems could use this trick against the GOP is McCain actually wins??

**Miles** · 02-02-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hey it's Aaron

Will the Fact that John McCain wasnt born in the US ( he was born in the Panama Canal Zone because his father was in the Military) make his win (if he wins) the presidentcy Null and void due to the Native Natural Born Citizen provision to become President.

This is never been an issue before, but does anyone else think the Dems could use this trick against the GOP is McCain actually wins??

i'm fairly certain that since the panama canal was owned by the US at the time that makes him native born. it's not an issue.

truffle_shuffle! · 02-02-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Miles

i'm fairly certain that since the panama canal was owned by the US at the time that makes him native born. it's not an issue.

With that theory, people from Puerto Rico and Guam can run for President. Case law says other wise.

25psi · 02-02-2008, 02:21 PM

I believe that McCain was born on a military base, which is considered American soil.

truffle_shuffle! · 02-02-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 25psi

I believe that McCain was born on a military base, which is considered American soil.

He was born on a base, which is considered a US territory. The provision is strict in the fact it has to be a state. I don't think it matters, but this could be the new "hanging chad ".

**Iroc Joe** · 02-02-2008, 02:59 PM

No, a US military or diplomatic installation overseas is considered US soil. He is a US citizen no different if he was born within the territorial boundaries of the 50 states.

truffle_shuffle! · 02-02-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Iroc Joe

No, a US military or diplomatic installation overseas is considered US soil. He is a US citizen no different if he was born within the territorial boundaries of the 50 states.

It's all in the term "natural born citizen" in the constitution... really intresting stuff. you could argue both ways.

Chuck 98 RT/10 · 02-02-2008, 03:14 PM

I hear what you're saying Aaron. After having a president actually argue the definition "is" then absolutely someone could argue McCain's citizen qualifications for President.

I just love lawyers.

billybongthorton · 02-02-2008, 03:34 PM

if its on a military base there considered american

truffle_shuffle! · 02-02-2008, 03:54 PM

The problem Tokin is that the constitution says " natural Born citizen" . Anyone born on a base is technically "naturalized" . It's all in the legalise. There is very little case law on the subject because it wasn't an issuse.

billybongthorton · 02-02-2008, 05:10 PM

well if that comes i guess his parents should have him aborted just like in south park

**jabtay** · 02-03-2008, 01:18 AM

It seems like a viable question, but if it held any water, im sure the GOP would have put an end to his campaign.

beebo10 · 02-03-2008, 01:54 AM

well look at it the other way. if he's not an american citizen then what was his citizenship prior to that. ie was he ever considered a citizen of another country?as in the country the base he was in? if a lawyer can show he was, then u might have a point. Otherwise, he's a natural born us citizen.

truffle_shuffle! · 02-03-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by beebo10

well look at it the other way. if he's not an american citizen then what was his citizenship prior to that. ie was he ever considered a citizen of another country?as in the country the base he was in? if a lawyer can show he was, then u might have a point. Otherwise, he's a natural born us citizen.

See thats the thing TECHNICALLY he's a NATURALIZED citizen on the books.. Natural born means BORN in the US based upon several pieces of case law. Not that it means anything to me , but if Billary loses to McCain , I can see this as an issue.

billybongthorton · 02-03-2008, 02:39 PM

alls its gonna turn out to be is who has the most money in the end and whoever has the most swing. personally i wished rudi would have won

02-02-2008, 01:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
truffle_shuffle! Chomsky with dick jokes!	I don't know if this has been brought up but... Will the Fact that John McCain wasnt born in the US ( he was born in the Panama Canal Zone because his father was in the Military) make his win (if he wins) the presidentcy Null and void due to the Native Natural Born Citizen provision to become President. This is never been an issue before, but does anyone else think the Dems could use this trick against the GOP is McCain actually wins??

02-02-2008, 03:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
truffle_shuffle! Chomsky with dick jokes!	The problem Tokin is that the constitution says " natural Born citizen" . Anyone born on a base is technically "naturalized" . It's all in the legalise. There is very little case law on the subject because it wasn't an issuse. Last edited by Hey it's Aaron : 02-02-2008 at 04:18 PM.

02-02-2008, 02:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
25psi Treated and Released	I believe that McCain was born on a military base, which is considered American soil.

02-02-2008, 02:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
Iroc Joe AuH20 in '64	No, a US military or diplomatic installation overseas is considered US soil. He is a US citizen no different if he was born within the territorial boundaries of the 50 states.

02-02-2008, 03:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
Chuck 98 RT/10 Sexist	I hear what you're saying Aaron. After having a president actually argue the definition "is" then absolutely someone could argue McCain's citizen qualifications for President. I just love lawyers.

02-02-2008, 03:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
billybongthorton not of this god	if its on a military base there considered american

02-02-2008, 05:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
billybongthorton not of this god	well if that comes i guess his parents should have him aborted just like in south park

02-03-2008, 01:18 AM	#12 (permalink)
jabtay Wheres the damn detonator	It seems like a viable question, but if it held any water, im sure the GOP would have put an end to his campaign.

02-03-2008, 01:54 AM	#13 (permalink)
beebo10 Mazing	well look at it the other way. if he's not an american citizen then what was his citizenship prior to that. ie was he ever considered a citizen of another country?as in the country the base he was in? if a lawyer can show he was, then u might have a point. Otherwise, he's a natural born us citizen.

02-03-2008, 02:39 PM	#15 (permalink)
billybongthorton not of this god	alls its gonna turn out to be is who has the most money in the end and whoever has the most swing. personally i wished rudi would have won