AARP, American Cancer Soc. & American Medical Assn support House healthcare bill

[dink921]

Reporting from Washington - As House Democrats prepare to vote Saturday on a sweeping bill to overhaul the nation's healthcare system, they have picked up an important endorsement today from the 40-million-member AARP, the nation's largest senior citizens group.

The AARP's backing counters mounting opposition among employer groups who are stepping up their advertising campaign against the House Democratic bill. And it comes on a day when other influential groups are swinging their weight behind the healthcare legislation.

On Tuesday, the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network announced its endorsement of the House bill. The American Medical Assn., the nation's largest doctors group, is planning an announcement at 10 a.m. Pacific time.

AARP Executive Vice President Nancy LeaMond said today that the group saw the House Democratic bill as the most promising proposal.

source

[Rich]

Misery loves company, they just want the rest of the country to be shafted with their problems.

[dink921]

Originally Posted by Rich

Misery loves company, they just want the rest of the country to be shafted with their problems.

The American Medical Assn., the nation's largest doctors group, is planning an announcement at 10 a.m. Pacific.

yea? the doctors are miserable in our current system? is that what you're saying?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by dink921

yea? the doctors are miserable in our current system? is that what you're saying?

No, I'm talking about AARP.

[dink921]

Originally Posted by Rich

No, I'm talking about AARP.

ok so what about the AMA and ACS ? they are backing it because...? doctors want to make less? have government tell them how to treat patients?... have more patients, while getting paid less and have the system melt around them? wow... thats what you guys have been saying for months about how doctors feel... wonder why doctors would set themselves up to make less money and work harder... not so smart to be doctors are they....

[Rich]

Originally Posted by dink921

ok so what about the AMA and ACS ? they are backing it because...? doctors want to make less? have government tell them how to treat patients?... have more patients, while getting paid less and have the system melt around them? wow... thats what you guys have been saying for months about how doctors feel... wonder why doctors would set themselves up to make less money and work harder... not so smart to be doctors are they....

The AMA is like 20% or something of practicing physicians, woohoO!

Not quite the 2/3 of our government that should be required to re-write the Constitution for this thing.

[PPGMD]

Originally Posted by dink921

yea? the doctors are miserable in our current system? is that what you're saying?

The AMA, and other trade groups do not necessarily represent the actual opinions of their members. In particular in trade industries where membership in those groups are either a good idea (for example access to resources that improve your work performance), or are required (like labor unions).

AARP is similar, being a member gives you access to discounts, so a member of AARP might complain to the leadership, but may not be at a high enough level for them to leave the organization.

A good example of this, most police groups are anti-gun, but overwhelmingly most police officers are pro-gun, or at least indifferent to gun rights.

[dink921]

Originally Posted by PPGMD

The AMA, and other trade groups do not necessarily represent the actual opinions of their members. In particular in trade industries where membership in those groups are either a good idea (for example access to resources that improve your work performance), or are required (like labor unions).

AARP is similar, being a member gives you access to discounts, so a member of AARP might complain to the leadership, but may not be at a high enough level for them to leave the organization.

A good example of this, most police groups are anti-gun, but overwhelmingly most police officers are pro-gun, or at least indifferent to gun rights.

i know i know.. the aarp, ama, and acs are all full of shit, ran by liberals whose only purpose is to destroy the country, got it pp... got it... btw, i posted the ENTIRE ARTICLE...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by dink921

i know i know.. the aarp, ama, and acs are all full of shit, ran by liberals whose only purpose is to destroy the country, got it pp... got it... btw, i posted the ENTIRE ARTICLE...

Pretty much. Don't forget all of the unions as well.

[PPGMD]

Originally Posted by dink921

i know i know.. the aarp, ama, and acs are all full of shit, ran by liberals whose only purpose is to destroy the country, got it pp... got it... btw, i posted the ENTIRE ARTICLE...

You are reading more into it then I wrote. I simply said that don't take an endorsement from a group to be representative of it's members. That goes for all group, I'm a NRA member, and I disagree with some of the stuff that they do.

You know if you hadn't post that I wouldn't have noticed, but since you did mention it. It's been fixed.

[dink921]

Originally Posted by PPGMD

You know if you hadn't post that I wouldn't have noticed, but since you did mention it. It's been fixed.

funny how you dont fix the opposing view threads.. weird aint it?

[PPGMD]

Originally Posted by dink921

funny how you dont fix the opposing view threads.. weird aint it?

Because I generally ask them, and they edit it (when I spot it, or someone else points it out). I know it's pointless to ask with you.

As you see I rarely notice unless I click the link for some reason, or the quoted section is extremely long.

[Political_Man]

Originally Posted by dink921

ok so what about the AMA and ACS ? they are backing it because...? doctors want to make less? have government tell them how to treat patients?... have more patients, while getting paid less and have the system melt around them? wow... thats what you guys have been saying for months about how doctors feel... wonder why doctors would set themselves up to make less money and work harder... not so smart to be doctors are they....

Source

A source close to the AMA said its internal polling has shown doctors to be closely divided on a public option and health care reform proposed by Democrats but 20 percent or more of doctors across the country are also undecided on what to support.

So a good 40% of Doctors support the measure... Whoohoo! That's a real overwhelming majority.

And now you know, the rest of the story.

[Iroc Joe]

Originally Posted by dink921

i know i know.. the aarp, ama, and acs are all full of shit, ran by liberals whose only purpose is to destroy the country, got it pp... got it... btw, i posted the ENTIRE ARTICLE...

So the minority of a group that joins the interest group is indicative of the whole? Also, ask the AARP how pleased their membership base is with them after the whole "prescription drug plan" debacle.

Do yourself a favor since you like political threads, get educated. Go to USF, they have a fantastic Political Science department. I know, I graduated from it. Make sure to take Dr. Tauber's Political Parties and Interest Groups class, you might learn something.

[figment]

the aarp was bought off by the dems. they get the right to sell gap insurance to seniors so the stand to make millions.

[dink921]

Originally Posted by Iroc Joe

So the minority of a group that joins the interest group is indicative of the whole? Also, ask the AARP how pleased their membership base is with them after the whole "prescription drug plan" debacle.

Do yourself a favor since you like political threads, get educated. Go to USF, they have a fantastic Political Science department. I know, I graduated from it. Make sure to take Dr. Tauber's Political Parties and Interest Groups class, you might learn something.

havent you had an unfortunate "accident" yet?

[blacksheep-1]

the aarp was bought off by the dems. they get the right to sell gap insurance to seniors so the stand to make millions.

this is absolutely true, millions of members who buy into the program to get misc discounts and have no idea (or actually despise) the political arm of the AARP, and every doc that I've talked to thinks the healthcare bill sucks, except for the AMA's 18%, none of who I have actually met.

[jabtay]

Originally Posted by dink921

havent you had an unfortunate "accident" yet?

havent you come up with a diversion that is not childish?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jabtay

havent you come up with a diversion that is not childish?

Facts and figures must be quickly diverted...

[Political_Man]

Originally Posted by blacksheep-1

this is absolutely true, millions of members who buy into the program to get misc discounts and have no idea (or actually despise) the political arm of the AARP, and every doc that I've talked to thinks the healthcare bill sucks, except for the AMA's 18%, none of who I have actually met.

Dink is never going to take the time to actually talk to doctors or the health care professionals who actually work in the field or know a little bit about what's wrong with the current system. He was given an "endorsement" that fits neatly within his political view point and that's good enough for him.