Barack Obama announces military trials will resume

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Political_Man

Doh! Here is the google search... just about every link reports Obama's original campaign promise to try detainees at GITMO in federal courts and it goes for 20 pages... liberal... conservative... moderate news sources are quoting the same thing, that the President is breaking a campaign promise... so try again.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Obama...start=100&sa=N

How about you post one then. I have read around 7 so far. The only thing close to what you are saying is how Obama was critical of how the military tribunals were being conducted, and how he was restructuring them to be more to his liking.

It would be one thing if the guy went oh no Bush's system (that couldn't pass legal muster for shit) was correct, were gonna go back to that without any changes.

[98MODMTR]

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

[dink921]

Originally Posted by blacksheep-1

obummer gets another free pass..sweet, but you can bet your azz that free passes weren't allowed when bushy was in office.
Let's see :
double the national debt - bush came into office with a surplus left with what?
pay off rich bankers - the bank bailout was done under Bush
roll on GITMO - hasnt been rolled on
roll on tribunals - yea its called compromise
attempt raise taxes on everything from ammo to the internet to offshore investments - everything eh? how much have your taxes increased?

Yep this peckerwood is kicking butt LIBERAL style.

and youre a fucking ignorant fool that is stuck somewhere before the Walkman first came out... you boil EVERYTHING i mean EVERYTHING down to lib vs con or D vs R ... pull your old head out of ur ass...

[25psi]

Originally Posted by dink921

and youre a fucking ignorant fool that is stuck somewhere before the Walkman first came out... you boil EVERYTHING i mean EVERYTHING down to lib vs con or D vs R ... pull your old head out of ur ass...

In regards to the debt.



Guess when Bush's presidency ended and Obama's started?

[dink921]

Originally Posted by 25psi

In regards to the debt.



Guess when Bush's presidency ended and Obama's started?

did anywhere in my statement i say obama hasnt increased the national debt, allude to that, imply that, infer that?
No.

I stated, GWB came into office with a SURPLUS and asked how he left office..


pretty lil chart, but irrelevant to my post. thanks for playing.

[25psi]

Originally Posted by dink921

did anywhere in my statement i say obama hasnt increased the national debt, allude to that, imply that, infer that?
No.

I stated, GWB came into office with a SURPLUS and asked how he left office..


pretty lil chart, but irrelevant to my post. thanks for playing.

So you have a problem if Bush increases the debt but Obama gets a free pass?

[dink921]

Originally Posted by 25psi

So you have a problem if Bush increases the debt but Obama gets a free pass?

Bush came in with a small surplus, then 9/11 ,recession, and war happened(in pretty much that order).

lmao.... do i even need to make an actual response?

[25psi]

Originally Posted by dink921

lmao.... do i even need to make an actual response?

Sure, those things led to deficit spending, and Obama has similar issues on his plate, but again, look at the chart. Bush didn't throw money at problems trillions of dollars at a time.

I don't agree with deficit spending regardless of whose name or which party it is.

[dink921]

Originally Posted by 25psi

Sure, those things led to deficit spending, and Obama has similar issues on his plate, but again, look at the chart. Bush didn't throw money at problems trillions of dollars at a time.

I don't agree with deficit spending regardless of whose name or which party it is.

you do realize the Bush admin gave $700 billion, which is just a LIL shy of a trillion dollars, to the Banks before he left right, even before the election?

[25psi]

Originally Posted by dink921

you do realize the Bush admin gave $700 billion, which is just a LIL shy of a trillion dollars, to the Banks before he left right, even before the election?

TARP, not a fan.


Nothing like creating a bubble with artificially low interest rates and a "everyone gets a house" mentality of policymakers, then bailing out the financial sector and sticking us with that bill too.

[dink921]

Originally Posted by 25psi

TARP, not a fan.

regardless... apparently Bush throws around trillions too eh?

the fact still remains, you rebutted nothing i stated with your pretty lil chart...and several follow ups... so.. again thanks for playing...

[25psi]

Originally Posted by dink921

regardless... apparently Bush throws around trillions too eh?

the fact still remains, you rebutted nothing i stated with your pretty lil chart...and several follow ups... so.. again thanks for playing...

700 Billion=/ Trillions

I just said before, I don't approve of it under Bush and I don't approve of it under Obama, you don't believe that Obama is taking us to a completely new level of deficit spending and overall debt?

Thanks for playing.

[dink921]

Originally Posted by 25psi

you don't believe that Obama is taking us to a completely new level of deficit spending and overall debt?

Thanks for playing.

can we stay on target... you tried to refute my statement to blacksheep with your pretty lil chart.. which is irrelevant to what i stated there, and you keep going back to obamas spending... im beginning to think you are actually Josh... you want to explain to me next how Obama is the devil and his only goal is to make the dollar collapse too?... fuck man... one track mind

[25psi]

Originally Posted by dink921

can we stay on target... you tried to refute my statement to blacksheep with your pretty lil chart.. which is irrelevant to what i stated there, and you keep going back to obamas spending... im beginning to think you are actually Josh... you want to explain to me next how Obama is the devil and his only goal is to make the dollar collapse too?... fuck man... one track mind

Blacksheep commented on how Obama has been rapidly increasing the debt, instead of taking it on you brought up Bush. That bastion of right-wing sentiment known as the Congressional Budget Office is projecting Obama to be a FAR worse spender then Bush, so why was Bush brought up in the first place?

[dink921]

Originally Posted by 25psi

Blacksheep commented on how Obama has been rapidly increasing the debt, instead of taking it on you brought up Bush. That bastion of right-wing sentiment known as the Congressional Budget Office is projecting Obama to be a FAR worse spender then Bush, so why was Bush brought up in the first place?

go back and read his post then come back once you figure out how Bush was brought up

[Political_Man]

Originally Posted by Derek

How about you post one then. I have read around 7 so far. The only thing close to what you are saying is how Obama was critical of how the military tribunals were being conducted, and how he was restructuring them to be more to his liking.

It would be one thing if the guy went oh no Bush's system (that couldn't pass legal muster for shit) was correct, were gonna go back to that without any changes.

All on the first page of the link:


When Obama ran for president, he repeatedly pledged to shut down the Guantánamo prison camp, which he called a “legal black hole.” Obama said he would “reject the Military Commissions Act,” and try terror detainees in the US court system. Then, in his January 20 executive order, issued to great media fanfare, Obama temporarily suspended ongoing cases in the military tribunal system.

From November 2008:

Now the US president-elect is said to be working towards closing down the camp.
His advisers say they're currently mapping out plans to send detainees to the US to face trial.

Ah, here's one where the Obama Administration is sending detainees to Bagram instead of Gitmo... as if that makes a difference.

Their answer came as a shock and a surprise. In a brief filing in federal court last week, lawyers from President Barack Obama’s Department of Justice (DOJ) said they would adopt the same position taken by the Bush administration -- that detainees held at the Bagram air base in Afghanistan have no right to challenge their detention in U.S. courts.

The U.S. government is holding more than 600 prisoners at Bagram. Some claim they are victims of “extraordinary rendition” by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), while many more say they have been tortured and abused at the facility just outside Kabul.

[Josh]

herp derp

[Shin180sx]

Originally Posted by 98MODMTR

There's a lot of liberal pussy in this thread.

Let's try to keep that to a minimum please.

Repressed republican homosexual spotted

[Josh]

Originally Posted by Shin180sx

Repressed republican homosexual spotted

blind liberal nutjob with sickle cell spotted.

[blacksheep-1]

Hey 25psi don't take dink to heart, he's so immersed in the lib religion that he can't see the truth if it kicked him in the nizzuts.
You can tell when you're winning the argument, he starts insulting you personally.