Ex-US President Jimmy Carter has said Israel has at least 150 atomic weapons in its

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

You know what, jimmy and BBB....keep talking smack, im not racist, i dont hate jews....you can sit here and insinuate and make snide comments all you want, i could really care less.....your guys opinion on me, means about this much, |-|

You contradicted yourself.
First you said you "could really care less"
then you said their opinion "means about this much, |-|"

So which is it? Could you care less or not?

[SilentBob86]

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You know what i meant man, i dont care what they think or say about me...

[Epicman]

Oh come on....you using them to avoid my post?

[cornishcrx]

it is always a pleasure to read Epi's posts.

[SilentBob86]

Originally Posted by Epicman

How is saying that you haven't called me a Jew implying that you are a racist? I haven't asked you to list all crimes committed by Israel...just something within the past 10 years. Settlements are not illegal as they were built on land that Israel gained through wars...wars in which they were not the aggressors. Israel going into a neighborhood and knocking down houses is not a crime as they are knocking down houses that are used to store weapons and/or terrorists.

So now you are saying here weren't any Jews in what is now Israel until the 19th century? I'm just asking to make sure I'm clear on that part. Oh and about the resolutions...a shit load of resolutions against Israel and how many against Palestinians? Just because they aren't enforced doesn't mean anything. Fact remains you have a ton of resolutions against the Jews and none against Palestinians.

And if you are so concerned about human rights where is your thread regarding Darfur and the world turning blind eye? Now there is a genocide, there is murder of women and children for no reason.

But hey, lets still focus on Israel and the Palestinians. Since you are so worried about the Palestinians why aren't you complaining about Egypt not having the border open with Gaza? Why don't you complain about how Hamas attacks the only point of entry for fuel and aid left forcing Israel to shut them down time and time again? How about complaining about how the Palestinians being so backwards the can't even focus on a common enemy and turned on each other. They've divided themselves up into two countries without even having had one.

I never said thats when the jews first got there, im saying thats when zionist started migrating into the area.....did you even look at the website i listed???? If not, then your basically ignoring every source i post, and just ranting.......Seriously, i wanna see some of these sources your getting your info from, ive posted a small number of the things ive read and looked for.

...you know what, until you start backing up what your saying with some type of facts, or stories or something, im done arguing with you....

[Epicman]

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

I never said thats when the jews first got there, im saying thats when zionist started migrating into the area.....did you even look at the website i listed???? If not, then your basically ignoring every source i post, and just ranting.......Seriously, i wanna see some of these sources your getting your info from, ive posted a small number of the things ive read and looked for.

...you know what, until you start backing up what your saying with some type of facts, or stories or something, im done arguing with you....

So you ignore everything else I say huh? No comment on Darfur? Do you really need me to post shit about Egypt's border being closed and how Hamas attacks the only point of entry for fuel and aid?

[Epicman]

Originally Posted by cornishcrx

it is always a pleasure to read Epi's posts.

I can't tell if that is sarcasm or not.

[SilentBob86]

Originally Posted by Epicman

So you ignore everything else I say huh? No comment on Darfur? Do you really need me to post shit about Egypt's border being closed and how Hamas attacks the only point of entry for fuel and aid?

No, im not ignoring anything you say... Im not supporting or apposing hamas's actions, im talking about the people, not the fighters, terrorist or revolutionary or w/e they are. And yes, darfur is fucked up, BUT something is being done about it, how much attention does palestine get.....????Dude, you know what, WTF does Darfur have to do with Israel and Palestine...??? Are you purposely trying to sidetrack this thread or something?

So.....once again, no sources.....you are just spouting this stuff off that you know is fact, and not showing me any proof. SO......im done with this "debate", until you wanna put some type of source to back up your claims, there just that....claims.

[Epicman]

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

No, im not ignoring anything you say... Im not supporting or apposing hamas's actions, im talking about the people, not the fighters, terrorist or revolutionary or w/e they are. And yes, darfur is fucked up, BUT something is being done about it, how much attention does palestine get.....????Dude, you know what, WTF does Darfur have to do with Israel and Palestine...??? Are you purposely trying to sidetrack this thread or something?

So.....once again, no sources.....you are just spouting this stuff off that you know is fact, and not showing me any proof. SO......im done with this "debate", until you wanna put some type of source to back up your claims, there just that....claims.

The people that you talk about are the ones supporting these terrorists groups. The people you talk about are the ones that keep weapons in their homes. You really need me to find links that say this?

You think something has been done about Darfur?!? Tell me exactly what has been done about Darfur and how you think Israel gets less attention than Darfur does. ANd no, I'm not trying to sidetrack this thread. But since you claim to be so concerned about human life Darfur should be a much bigger concern than the Palestinians. Unless of course you think random raids into refugee camps to kill and rape women and girls is not as big of a deal as Israel going into a city and bulldozing houses that are used to smuggle weapons and fire from.

And again, I ask you what you want a source from. The post you quoted has nothing that needs to be sourced...well, I'm assuming you are up to date on simple shit such as Hamas attacks and Egypt having the border close. Is that what it is? You want sources for that? Just say it and I'll provide them. I just figured, since you are so concerned about the area, you know what's going on.

[SilentBob86]

i want sources for ALL the claims you've made...have i made any claims without backing it up with some sort of news source...? What do you mean theres nothing going on about darfur, i see people wearing shirts and wristbands and ive seen commercials and specials on tv.....i havent seen anything about palestine...And once again, bringing darfur into this is not relavent to the subject matter, so please stop bringing it up. Once again, i have never once defended hamas or hezbullah or any other groups actions. But for you to say, and if you actually believe, that every house or building the Israelis bulldoze is a building that was used for storing weapons, or housing terrorist activity is just naive and immature IMHO....

[Notladstyle]

nsfw http://popserious.ytmnd.com/

[Epicman]

Egypt closes border with Gaza - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_Border_Crossing

The Rafah crossing was opened on 25 November 2005 and operated nearly daily until 25 June 2006.[1] Since that time it has been closed by Egypt on 86% of days due to security reasons.[1] It was not opened for the export of goods.[1] In June 2007, the crossing was closed entirely after the Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip.

The UN is biased agaisnt Israel...as much as you like to think the world turns a blind eye there are constant resolutions against Israel while, to date, there has not been a resolution unequivocally condemning violence against Israeli citizens. Do I need to list every UN resolution so you can see that there isn't one unequivocally condemning violence against Israelis?

And again, I bring up Darfur. Why? Because you claim you are concerned for the way the Palestinians are being treated...they are humans after all. You think because you see people with wrist bands that means the Darfur issue is being taken care of? :rofl: Lets count how many resolutions there have been in the UN regarding Israel since 1947:

Resolutions by number so you can look them up if you want:
104 105 106 107 181 186 187 189 212 260 194 273 302 303 356 377 393 394 468 512 513 614 619 720 818 916 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1089 1120 1121 1122 1018 1091 1123 1124 1125 1126 1191 1237 1263 1315 1456 1604 1725 1856 1912 2002 2052 2154 2252 2253 2254 2256 2257 2341 2443 2452 2535 2546 2628 2649 2656 2672 2727 2728 2791 2792 2799 2851 2949 2963 2964 3089 3090 3092 3210 3236 3237 3240 3331 3375 3376 3379 3414 3419 3525 31/15 31/20 31/61 31/62 31/106 31/110 31/186 32/5 32/20 32/40 32/90 32/91 32/105 32/111 32/161 32/171 8/2 33/13 33/14 33/28 33/29 33/81 33/110 33/112 33/113 33/147 34/29 34/44 34/52 34/65 34/70 34/89 34/90 34/113 34/136

Man...this is tiring...and I'm just coming up on 1980.

7/2 7/3 35/13 35/45 35/75 35/110 35/111 35/115 35/122 35/147 35/169 35/207 36/15 36/27 36/70 36/73 36/87 36/98 36/120 36/146 36/147 36/150 36/171 36/173 36/226 9/1 7/4 7/5 7/6 7/8 7/9 37/18 37/43 37/75 37/82 37/86 37/88 37/120 37/122 37/123 37/127 37/134 37/135 37/222

Ok...now my hand is just starting to hurt and that was up until 1982. So tell me....you still really think the world turns a blind eye?

Oh look at the world not caring about the Palestinians!!!
http://www.delprox.com/browse.php?u=...W9weXM%3D&b=25

Oh wait....more of the world not paying attention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Le..._controversies

Hamas is maintaining a sense of desperation in Gaza to make Israel look badly. “Hamas members have stolen most of the fuel in the Gaza Strip to fill their vehicles,” - Khaled Abu Toameh (Jerusalem Post, January 21st, 200

“Palestinians refuse to receive fuel from Israel,” Xinhua, (December 2, 2007)

Less than a week later, the PA Health Ministry accused Hamas of stealing fuel and medicine stockpiles from hospitals in the Gaza Strip. The PA Health Ministry sent these provisions into the territory after the initial fuel cuts, but Hamas used the fuel instead for cars belonging to senior officials. - “PA: Hamas stealing Gaza hospitals’ fuel,” Jerusalem Post, December 6, 2007)

In addition, the breaking down of the security fence along Gaza’s border with Egypt was another propaganda coup for Hamas. As tens of thousands of Palestinians flocked into Sinai, aid officials estimated that the supposedly penniless residents of Gaza spent more than $100 million on goods in the first few days after the border breach.171 - “Egyptians Reseal Border, Cutting Access From Gaza,” Washington Post, (February 4, 200

Hamas has gone so far as to block shipments of food. In July 2007, for example, Hamas prevented more than 60 truckloads of Israeli fruit and vegetables from arriving in Gaza through the Kerem Shalom crossing - “Hamas bans Israeli produce from Gaza,” Jerusalem Post, (July 10, 2007)

Care for me to post more sources?

[SilentBob86]

good job, you've caught the bad guys in hamas. You know, i love your circular logic, every palestinian is now a member of hamas because epi said so, Israel, your now free to go on slaughtering and attempting to get rid of the palestinians .

Are you kidding me....WTF are those links supposed to be....a website about removing proxy blocks....annnnnd a wiki about photojournalism misrepresentation....?????

As for your other sources, i know hamas does alot of fucked up shit, BUT THAT DOES NOT JUSTFiY DESTROYING WHOLE COMMUNITIES BECAUSE IRSAEL "THINKS" HAMAS WAS USING THE BUILDING!

Now i understand Israel is not out to completely out destroy the palestinians....but guess what, theres plenty of people there who do. Lemme ask you something, do you know just how prominent zionism is in israel? Do you even know what zionism is? Because the palestinians sure do.....You know, and i feel bad for alot of the israeli people to, because its not all them, there is alot of them that know whats going on is wrong. The sad part is, those people cant even do to much, or else the zionist will fall on them like wolves.

So, im done with this thread, ive done as much as i feel like doing to get my point across, Epi, thank you for holding a decent debate, with no personal attacks. I definately respect you for not being an e-hard ass like alot of people.

[Zealot]

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

i want sources for ALL the claims you've made...have i made any claims without backing it up with some sort of news source...?

hahahahaha. If you've produced sources, where is the one that backs up your claim of all the shady shit Israel had done in recent history? I see everyone asking for it, yet you keep avoiding it.

BTW way to run from a debate after you start losing.

[Epicman]

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

good job, you've caught the bad guys in hamas. You know, i love your circular logic, every palestinian is now a member of hamas because epi said so, Israel, your now free to go on slaughtering and attempting to get rid of the palestinians .

Are you kidding me....WTF are those links supposed to be....a website about removing proxy blocks....annnnnd a wiki about photojournalism misrepresentation....?????

As for your other sources, i know hamas does alot of fucked up shit, BUT THAT DOES NOT JUSTFiY DESTROYING WHOLE COMMUNITIES BECAUSE IRSAEL "THINKS" HAMAS WAS USING THE BUILDING!

Now i understand Israel is not out to completely out destroy the palestinians....but guess what, theres plenty of people there who do. Lemme ask you something, do you know just how prominent zionism is in israel? Do you even know what zionism is? Because the palestinians sure do.....You know, and i feel bad for alot of the israeli people to, because its not all them, there is alot of them that know whats going on is wrong. The sad part is, those people cant even do to much, or else the zionist will fall on them like wolves.

So, im done with this thread, ive done as much as i feel like doing to get my point across, Epi, thank you for holding a decent debate, with no personal attacks. I definately respect you for not being an e-hard ass like alot of people.

So I provide the sources like you kept asking, proved that the world doesn't turn a blind eye to Israel, spelled out for you why I keep bringing up Darfur, show that the Palestinians aren't in such dire situations as you belive, and you say forget it...I'm out of this thread.

[SilentBob86]

Originally Posted by Zealot

hahahahaha. If you've produced sources, where is the one that backs up your claim of all the shady shit Israel had done in recent history? I see everyone asking for it, yet you keep avoiding it.

BTW way to run from a debate after you start losing.

Thanks for your opinion....

[Zealot]

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

Thanks for your opinion....

Thanks again for avoiding the question

[SilentBob86]

Originally Posted by Epicman

So I provide the sources like you kept asking, proved that the world doesn't turn a blind eye to Israel, spelled out for you why I keep bringing up Darfur, show that the Palestinians aren't in such dire situations as you belive, and you say forget it...I'm out of this thread.

Wow dude, dont be childish, seriously. What have you proved....?

You proved nothing about the palestinians being in any less dire situations then i said....you proved that you keep bringing up a completely irrelavent point to prove what....that you can make yourself look bad?

Let me spell it out

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT ME OR DARFUR!!!
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ISRAEL ANDPALESTINE

Damn dude, can you be anymore thick headed. What are you proving by bringing up COMPLETELTY IRRELAVENT POINTS?!?!?!?

No, im leaving this thread because your starting to sound ignorant. As for anyone saying i havent listed sources, go back and look from page one...i listed plenty...

Incoming U.S. Defense Secretary tells Senate panel Israel has nuclear weapons

James C Moore: Why shouldn't Iran have nuclear weapons? Israel has American warheads ready to fire

Israel's nuclear weapons

Olmert admits Israel has nuclear weapons

Mirrored story with commentary

PMO denies that Olmert disclosed Israel's nuclear hand

Israel's nuclear weapons program

Israel's WMDs

Israel 'may have 200 nuclear weapons'

Israeli nuclear delivery systems

Israel and nuclear weapons

deir yassin event

bantustanization of Palestine

11,000

political

prisoners

illegal Israeli settlements

Apartheid Wall.

Source

Nakba: The Israeli Holocaust Denial

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm


Man, but i didnt list any sources at all...im so retarded

[Notladstyle]

Originally Posted by TampaDude

That's because Israelis aren't afraid of being dragged off in the night and executed if they speak out against their leaders. The idea of a "peaceful Muslim" is laughable...their entire religion was founded on warfare and conquest.

wow, way to make no sense at all. How do you think America was started? By stealing land that had been claimed not once, but twice. By Native Indians and the British.

[SilentBob86]

Originally Posted by Zealot

Thanks again for avoiding the question

did i list enough sources for ya bub?