Ex-US President Jimmy Carter has said Israel has at least 150 atomic weapons in its

[jabtay]

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

im so retarded

Agreed!

[SilentBob86]

Originally Posted by jabtay

Agreed!

[Zealot]

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

deir yassin event

That's has nothing to do with the current Israeli government. That's the equivalent of blaming the current US government for an act of the Continental Congress

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

bantustanization of Palestine

Irrelevant, bases effect as cause. The racism it describes is propagated by the constant terrorist attacks. Without the attacks the racism would eventually fade.

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

11,000

Broad claims with no sources to back it up. The wall and check points are and obvious reaction to the constant attacks.

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

political

prisoners

11,000 prisoners that would most likely be attacking Israel if not imprisoned

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

illegal Israeli settlements

A blog?

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

Apartheid Wall.

see above comment on the wall

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

Source

What sells books better that controversy? Ask Scott McClellan.

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

Nakba: The Israeli Holocaust Denial

http://www.masada2000.org/Ilan-Pappe.html

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm

Lends more credence to the Israeli side than yours

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

Man, but i didnt list any sources at all...im so retarded

You never, until now, listed sources for your claims of Israeli injustice, so yes you are retarded

[SilentBob86]

Originally Posted by Zealot

You never, until now, listed sources for your claims of Israeli injustice, so yes you are retarded

BWAHAHAHA!!!!


Your fucking kidding me right.....those are all sources, get this, FROM MY PREVIOUS POSTS!!


Wow, and your calling me retarded.....

[25psi]

Frankly, Israel having nukes stabilizes the region. If Iran keeps their little nuke program going, expect IDF F15's to pay them a little visit, OSIRAK style.

[Epicman]

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

Wow dude, dont be childish, seriously. What have you proved....?

You proved nothing about the palestinians being in any less dire situations then i said....you proved that you keep bringing up a completely irrelavent point to prove what....that you can make yourself look bad?

Let me spell it out

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT ME OR DARFUR!!!
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ISRAEL ANDPALESTINE

Damn dude, can you be anymore thick headed. What are you proving by bringing up COMPLETELTY IRRELAVENT POINTS?!?!?!?

No, im leaving this thread because your starting to sound ignorant. As for anyone saying i havent listed sources, go back and look from page one...i listed plenty...

Incoming U.S. Defense Secretary tells Senate panel Israel has nuclear weapons

James C Moore: Why shouldn't Iran have nuclear weapons? Israel has American warheads ready to fire

Israel's nuclear weapons

Olmert admits Israel has nuclear weapons

Mirrored story with commentary

PMO denies that Olmert disclosed Israel's nuclear hand

Israel's nuclear weapons program

Israel's WMDs

Israel 'may have 200 nuclear weapons'

Israeli nuclear delivery systems

Israel and nuclear weapons

deir yassin event

bantustanization of Palestine

11,000

political

prisoners

illegal Israeli settlements

Apartheid Wall.

Source

Nakba: The Israeli Holocaust Denial

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm


Man, but i didnt list any sources at all...im so retarded

Again...you spend the whole thread asking for sources because you provided sources. I was not wanting to point it out but since you couldn't stop on the sources issue I have to. The sources I provided, for the most part, are from real, legit newspapers that have to stand up to different groups verifying their stories, the sources you provided are blogs and a lot of personal opinions.

What irrelevant things have I brought up that you didn't first mention? And you keep pointing to things about Israel having nuclear weapons.....was the first time you heard about his when Carter said it last week? I'm not trying to sound like an ass but it seems that this was the first time you heard about Israel having nukes. I brought up Darfur because you said, "there people....just like you and me. They may eat different food and have different customs." So, you sem to be so worried about other people being treated like people yet you think the Darfur issue is taken care of because you have seen people wearing shirts and wristbands. I provided tons of resolutions against Israel because you claim that he world turns a blind eye. I provide proof that the Egyptians also don't let the Palestinians move by closing the border, proving that Israel isn't the only bad guy.

And I proved that the "dire" situation the Palestinians are in is mostly due to Hamas purposely denying Palestinians what they need and also proved that Palestinians will fake things for the media to report on. So again, what irrelevant things did I bring up?

Oh but it's ok...you don't have to answer, you are done with this debate since sources, that weren't blogs or one person's opinion, who had only several years experience in the middle east...not 30 like you claimed.

[Epicman]

Originally Posted by 25psi

Frankly, Israel having nukes stabilizes the region. If Iran keeps their little nuke program going, expect IDF F15's to pay them a little visit, OSIRAK style.

If only it was that simple. The Iraq attack was simple because everything was in one location. Iran has been much smarter and not only spread out everything needed around the country they have also built a lot of it, either, underground or in reinforced bunkers.

[Zealot]

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

BWAHAHAHA!!!!


Your fucking kidding me right.....those are all sources, get this, FROM MY PREVIOUS POSTS!!


Wow, and your calling me retarded.....

Yes you are, I'll admit I missed you original posting of the links out of all your rantings, but it doesn't change the fact that most of your "sources" are no better than op-ed peices

[SilentBob86]

Originally Posted by Epicman

Again...you spend the whole thread asking for sources because you provided sources. I was not wanting to point it out but since you couldn't stop on the sources issue I have to. The sources I provided, for the most part, are from real, legit newspapers that have to stand up to different groups verifying their stories, the sources you provided are blogs and a lot of personal opinions.

What irrelevant things have I brought up that you didn't first mention? And you keep pointing to things about Israel having nuclear weapons.....was the first time you heard about his when Carter said it last week? I'm not trying to sound like an ass but it seems that this was the first time you heard about Israel having nukes. I brought up Darfur because you said, "there people....just like you and me. They may eat different food and have different customs." So, you sem to be so worried about other people being treated like people yet you think the Darfur issue is taken care of because you have seen people wearing shirts and wristbands. I provided tons of resolutions against Israel because you claim that he world turns a blind eye. I provide proof that the Egyptians also don't let the Palestinians move by closing the border, proving that Israel isn't the only bad guy.

And I proved that the "dire" situation the Palestinians are in is mostly due to Hamas purposely denying Palestinians what they need and also proved that Palestinians will fake things for the media to report on. So again, what irrelevant things did I bring up?

Oh but it's ok...you don't have to answer, you are done with this debate since sources, that weren't blogs or one person's opinion, who had only several years experience in the middle east...not 30 like you claimed.

Ok, i never said darfur was taken care of, i said there is alot more stuff going on to take care of it then there is in palestine. Once again, i never said israel is the only bad guy, but you know....they could be doing things alot differently than they are, but they choose not to.

Ok, you proved me wrong on the resolutions, a shit ton have been made and passed against them, but what good have they done? I think israel could stop this conflict if they really wanted to, but i think they continue it because they get some type of gain, whether political or just more world support.

And as for irrelavant things, your constant mention of darfur alone, and also bringing into it my views, and accusing me of being anti-semitic at that. All of those aforementioned things are completely and totally irrelavant, idk how you cant see that. Once again, im done arguing this you have your views, and i obviously have my own.

I formally agree to disagree!

[SilentBob86]

Originally Posted by Zealot

Yes you are, I'll admit I missed you original posting of the links out of all your rantings, but it doesn't change the fact that most of your "sources" are no better than op-ed peices

Right....because no other news source is reputable unless Rupert Murdoch owns it, right?

[Zealot]

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

Ok, i never said darfur was taken care of, i said there is alot more stuff going on to take care of it then there is in palestine. Once again, i never said israel is the only bad guy, but you know....they could be doing things alot differently than they are, but they choose not to.

The same could be said about your precious, perfect Palestinians. As the old saying goes, "You can catch a lot more flies with honey than with suicide bombers"

[Epicman]

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

Ok, i never said darfur was taken care of, i said there is alot more stuff going on to take care of it then there is in palestine. Once again, i never said israel is the only bad guy, but you know....they could be doing things alot differently than they are, but they choose not to.

Ok, you proved me wrong on the resolutions, a shit ton have been made and passed against them, but what good have they done? I think israel could stop this conflict if they really wanted to, but i think they continue it because they get some type of gain, whether political or just more world support.

First you say the world turns a blind eye to Israel...I provide proof and you say what good have they done. Well, what good have the shirts you've seen done for Darfur? Surely the world is so on top of the Darfur issue they see no point in passing resolution.

You're right...Israel could do things differently. They could just sit back and let rockets land in their country on a daily basis. They could just write strongly worded letters when their soldiers are kidnapped and killed. I mean, Israel hasn't done anything to try and be accepted by its neighbors. They weren't the ones that were attacked when they declared independence...using a plan that first the brits came up with then the UN accepted but the Arabs declined. They haven't been attacked several times by numerous nations. They also didn't pull out of Southern Lebanon only to have their soldiers killed and kidnapped by Hezbollah. They didn't pull out of Gaza and hand over power to Fatah, only to have the Palestinians vote in Hamas who then kicked Fatah out of Gaza and continued the attacks.

I mean, they are so hell bent on killing Palestinians, or as you say, doing the same thing the Nazis did to them, that they don't provide Gaza with 70% of it's electricity.

And as for irrelavant things, your constant mention of darfur alone, and also bringing into it my views, and accusing me of being anti-semitic at that. All of those aforementioned things are completely and totally irrelavant, idk how you cant see that. Once again, im done arguing this you have your views, and i obviously have my own.

I formally agree to disagree!

Do I need to explain, for the third or fourth time, why I brought up Darfur? And please point out where I said anything about you being an anti-semite. Once again, I didn't bring anything up that you didn't bring up first. I still find it comical that as soon as I provided the sources you asked for you decided you were done with the debate. At least twice you said you were done with this thread until I provided sources....sources provided and you are done with the thread. Nice.

But now it is time for me to go to bed. I'll check in the morning to see if you've replied.

[SilentBob86]

Originally Posted by Zealot

The same could be said about your precious, perfect Palestinians. As the old saying goes, "You can catch a lot more flies with honey than with suicide bombers"

OMFG.....i love how you people just sit here and put words into peoples mouth, and then act like you really believe what your saying....Show me where i once said the palestinians were perfect, oh wait...you cant...BECAUSE I DIDNT FUCKING SAY IT!!

Jesus, THIS is why im not gonna post in this thread anymore....

[SilentBob86]

Originally Posted by Epicman

Do I need to explain, for the third or fourth time, why I brought up Darfur? And please point out where I said anything about you being an anti-semite. Once again, I didn't bring anything up that you didn't bring up first. I still find it comical that as soon as I provided the sources you asked for you decided you were done with the debate. At least twice you said you were done with this thread until I provided sources....sources provided and you are done with the thread. Nice.

But now it is time for me to go to bed. I'll check in the morning to see if you've replied.

Wow....hw many times do i need to say this, THAT DOSENT FUCKING MATTER.....Darfur, or my feelings on people and this world as a whole...DO NOT HAVE A GOD DAMN FUCKING THING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD OR ISRAEL OR PALESTINE OR HAMAS, HEZBULLAH, OR ZIONIST OR THE FUCKING POWER RANGERS!!!!

IT
SIMPLY
DOES
NOT
MATTER


The only reason i responded when you posted sources is because....get this, i was asking for you to do so the whole time. You dont remember me saying i was done untill you posted sources....?

ANd as for you not saying i was anti semite, you dont have to directly call someone a name. The way you worded your responses said it for you. I mean, you said you were waiting for me tocall you a jew, come on dude...are you serious?


Fuck this, im about to just delete this shit anyway...i cant have any sort of conflicting, non-mainstream views on here without having people jump down my throat...

[Zealot]

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

ANd as for you not saying i was anti semite, you dont have to directly call someone a name. The way you worded your responses said it for you.

Just as your responses made it obvious that you believe the Palestinians are not to blame for their current state, yet you get pissy when I call you on it. Double standards are a bitch

[SilentBob86]

wow....thats all you can come up with. Im done with this thread....

[Epicman]

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

Wow....hw many times do i need to say this, THAT DOSENT FUCKING MATTER.....Darfur, or my feelings on people and this world as a whole...DO NOT HAVE A GOD DAMN FUCKING THING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD OR ISRAEL OR PALESTINE OR HAMAS, HEZBULLAH, OR ZIONIST OR THE FUCKING POWER RANGERS!!!!

IT
SIMPLY
DOES
NOT
MATTER


The only reason i responded when you posted sources is because....get this, i was asking for you to do so the whole time. You dont remember me saying i was done untill you posted sources....?

ANd as for you not saying i was anti semite, you dont have to directly call someone a name. The way you worded your responses said it for you. I mean, you said you were waiting for me tocall you a jew, come on dude...are you serious?


Fuck this, im about to just delete this shit anyway...i cant have any sort of conflicting, non-mainstream views on here without having people jump down my throat...

Ok, I'll drop the Darfur subject...hell, they are Africans, they really don't deserve as much attention as Palestinians anyway. So, aside from that nothing changes. You seem to have just learned about Israeli nukes, decided to go reading about the area, read several very Palestinian leaning sites on the net and now are on a crusade. When I gave you the sources you wanted, actual credible sources, you say you are done with this thread(just like when you said you were done with this thread until you got sources.

Now you are about to delete when people are "jumping down your throat". And I've said it from the beginning...if there is anything on the area you need to know, ask me and I'll provide you with sources. And you were bitching about people putting words in your mouth yet you say I'm calling you an anti-semite. I can't help how you read into the things I say, the fact remains, I haven't come close to calling you an anti-semite.

[jabtay]

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

wow....thats all you can come up with. Im done with this thread....

Hes right, by attacking Isreal in this thread as you have, leads people to believe you are and anti-semite that believes Palestinians are in the right. Way to take a side and run with it. Let them keep the nukes, they need the upper hand in that region.

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

Dang, this thread is still going? Can we get back to bashing Jimmy Carter and his 82734773 IQ?

[Political_Man]

Originally Posted by Chuck 98 RT/10

Dang, this thread is still going? Can we get back to bashing Jimmy Carter and his 82734773 IQ?

Did someone say something about bashing Jimmy Carter? I would tell you a Jimmy Carter joke but his presidency was joke enough.