A perception on how people perceive things differently and stuff...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by dink921

lolz... rich... i feel sorry for you. carry on man... carry on.

Refute what I said, please try. There is a big difference between problems at the state and local level and the government stealing money across the board.

[dink921]

Originally Posted by Rich

Refute what I said, please try. There is a big difference between problems at the state and local level and the government stealing money across the board.

theres no debating with a know it all... you cant be wrong.. youve publicly stated this rich... im too lazy to search for the thread, but u and i both know it... you stated ur smarter than anyone that disagrees with you and you cant be wrong when debating with them... lolz... ur a fucking idiot...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by dink921

theres no debating with a know it all... you cant be wrong.. youve publicly stated this rich... im too lazy to search for the thread, but u and i both know it... you stated ur smarter than anyone that disagrees with you and you cant be wrong when debating with them... lolz... ur a fucking idiot...

AKA you have no rebuttal for facts and rational logic. Politics isn't about being smart, its about doing what works and what has proven to work. The nice thing about this country is that there is an entire world out there that has gone down the path that we are headed and its has NEVER worked out well. But you can continue to make up excuses for why you have no answer to anything that I post, I enjoy it.

[dink921]

Originally Posted by Rich

AKA you have no rebuttal for facts and rational logic. Politics isn't about being smart, its about doing what works and what has proven to work. The nice thing about this country is that there is an entire world out there that has gone down the path that we are headed and its has NEVER worked out well. But you can continue to make up excuses for why you have no answer to anything that I post, I enjoy it.

and you can continue to know everything, i enjoy watching u publicly state that you know everything... lolz

[Rich]

Originally Posted by dink921

and you can continue to know everything, i enjoy watching u publicly state that you know everything... lolz

Yes, I know everything. Now please refute one single thing that I have said to you, in any post in the history of this website and you will then be smarter and more knowledgeable than myself, and you can call me 'tool boy' or whatever you wish for eternity. That shouldn't be so hard. In the process, you'll probably find that the bullshit liberalism that you stand for is a sham, and then I can move onto someone else.

[TNathe]

Originally Posted by dink921

all of which come from where..............CITIZENS............. YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOT...

and you are okay with paying more for your services, bills, etc because the business has to pass off their tax hike to you? the health plans WILL CoST ABOUT THE SAME as private insurance from what ive heard, so awesome, you can go buy private insurance for about the same cost as you could through the govt, oh, but now you HAVE TO HAVE health insurance, oh but now, YOU WILL BE FINED FOR NOT HAVING health insurance ....and im the stupid fucking idiot...

[dink921]

Originally Posted by TNathe

and you are okay with paying more for your services, bills, etc because the business has to pass off their tax hike to you? the health plans WILL CoST ABOUT THE SAME as private insurance from what ive heard, so awesome, you can go buy private insurance for about the same cost as you could through the govt, oh, but now you HAVE TO HAVE health insurance, oh but now, YOU WILL BE FINED FOR NOT HAVING health insurance ....and im the stupid fucking idiot...

blah blah switcho chango... all i said to your stupid ass was... citizens pay for everything... everything... and ur gonna give me this paragraph about how im stupid and healthcare.. lolz... nice job there CTboy... doesnt change the fact that u were wrong.. again.. citizens still pay for everything, city, county, state, federal... EVERYTHING... and police/fire are still government ran.. and paid for bu citizens... nothing u wanna write is gonna change that fact... so go on ur tangent about me getting fucked in the ass by obama, its entertaining to say the least.

"from what ive heard" .......lmao... you also HEARD and BELIEVE that GWB single-handedly planted explosives in the WTC towers, and he also flew all three planes... so yea.. what u hear always makes sense.

[TNathe]

ur right, citizens do pay for everything, including the printing of money, keep telling yourself "we are out of the recession"

[XYNaPSE]

Originally Posted by blacksheep-1

No. no. what Josh is saying is that if the government hadn't gotten involved in the first place (going back as far as the 70s) in the subprime market game, the market would be naturally stabilized and the government wouldn't have to be involved now.
The azzwipes in Washington create the problem then talk about how they are going to "save us" by fixing the problem they themsleves created.
What government really needs to do is get out of the way of the American individual, and we'll fix this on our own, government generally is an impediment to progress.

That's complete and utter bullshit. The recession happened because of lack of government. Lack of regulation in the financial sector. We've been over this a million times. Besides, that's not what I was talking about. I had said, if everything was the exact same up until the bailout (imagaine we're in a parallel Universe) and everything was exactly the same but they had not down the bank bailout, what do you think would be happening right now? He ignored this question because it disproves his entire bullshit theory. The bailout actually helped the economy. If there was no bailout there would be no banking system in the United States and World. All major players in the world did some kind of bailout because of the U.S. caused recession.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by XYNaPSE

That's complete and utter bullshit. The recession happened because of lack of government. Lack of regulation in the financial sector. We've been over this a million times.

And you look more and more like a fool every time you spew your crap. You think institutions like the FDIC promote good banking? Get off the teleprompter, put 2+2 together and learn how this recession came to be, then you might be able to comprehend some of this.

[Decoy_TT]

Originally Posted by XYNaPSE

That's complete and utter bullshit. The recession happened because of lack of government. Lack of regulation in the financial sector. We've been over this a million times. Besides, that's not what I was talking about. I had said, if everything was the exact same up until the bailout (imagaine we're in a parallel Universe) and everything was exactly the same but they had not down the bank bailout, what do you think would be happening right now? He ignored this question because it disproves his entire bullshit theory. The bailout actually helped the economy. If there was no bailout there would be no banking system in the United States and World. All major players in the world did some kind of bailout because of the U.S. caused recession.

Where did all the banks get all that cheap money from? Why were rates so low, and who controlled them?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Decoy_TT

Where did all the banks get all that cheap money from? Why were rates so low, and who controlled them?

Don't use logic, it scares him. Like the dark.

[Decoy_TT]

Originally Posted by Rich

Don't use logic, it scares him. Like the dark.

Seriously.


Hey Xynapse/Dink, quick question.

Would this recession have happened if interest rates were at their normal levels the last 10+ years?

Would this entire shit storm have happened as it has, if interest rates were 8-9%?

Would the banks have pushed loans and given them out to low income people when it was much more riskier to do so, because the rates they were borrowing that money was so high?


HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?


*I await Xynapse actual response, and dink's usual troll, with much anticipation.

[perdition79]

Our problem is the failure of man to grasp the ass-raping power of exponents. It has happened before, is happening now, and will happen again. Whether it's tulips or debt derivatives, there is nothing new under the sun.

[Penis]

fuck politics

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Penis

fuck politics

You have to fuck them before they fuck you, unfortunately.

[Penis]

Originally Posted by Rich

You have to fuck them before they fuck you, unfortunately.

Yeah I guess you are right. Dammit.

[XYNaPSE]

Originally Posted by Rich

And you look more and more like a fool every time you spew your crap. You think institutions like the FDIC promote good banking? Get off the teleprompter, put 2+2 together and learn how this recession came to be, then you might be able to comprehend some of this.

No I don't. i make you guys look like the fools you are. You have no idea what you're talking about. Never did. Most likely never will. The FDIC is there to protect us from these banking institutions. The FDIC is there to prevent bank runs like in the 20's and 30's. The FDIC took over all these failed banks and they're now selling them to investors and all the failed banks customers didn't lose a dime. Wouldn't happen if there was no FDIC.

[XYNaPSE]

Originally Posted by Decoy_TT

Seriously.


Hey Xynapse/Dink, quick question.

Would this recession have happened if interest rates were at their normal levels the last 10+ years?

Would this entire shit storm have happened as it has, if interest rates were 8-9%?

Would the banks have pushed loans and given them out to low income people when it was much more riskier to do so, because the rates they were borrowing that money was so high?




*I await Xynapse actual response, and dink's usual troll, with much anticipation.

If the interest rates weren't low to begin with we'd be in a great depression because our dollar would be worth too much and our exports would disappear leading us to a greater depression. All of that while the banks wouldn't be able to lend. Low rates stimulates lending which expands the economy. They're keeping them low to fight off deflation because a huuuge sum of money vanished because these banks bet on some risky investments. So they're keeping them low to continue to expand the economy after it contracted. They want more dollars out there after all those dollars disappeared. If the financial institutions were regulated interest rates would not have to be this low. You have to understand how this all works before you comment on it.

If what you said was the case wouldn't things have gotten a lot worse by now? They're keeping the rates near zero because they want to fight deflation and expand the economy. Regulations need to be put in place now so these fucking greedy asshole lenders don't fuck it all up again.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?

[Decoy_TT]

Originally Posted by XYNaPSE

If the interest rates weren't low to begin with we'd be in a great depression because our dollar would be worth too much and our exports would disappear leading us to a greater depression. All of that while the banks wouldn't be able to lend. Low rates stimulates lending which expands the economy. They're keeping them low to fight off deflation because a huuuge sum of money vanished because these banks bet on some risky investments. So they're keeping them low to continue to expand the economy after it contracted. They want more dollars out there after all those dollars disappeared. If the financial institutions were regulated interest rates would not have to be this low. You have to understand how this all works before you comment on it.

If what you said was the case wouldn't things have gotten a lot worse by now? They're keeping the rates near zero because they want to fight deflation and expand the economy. Regulations need to be put in place now so these fucking greedy asshole lenders don't fuck it all up again.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?

A great depression?

You're a fucking joke.

Know what my parents bought their house that I grew up in 25 years ago?

Something crazy, like 17% interest rate.

Guess what, PEOPLE STILL BOUGHT HOUSES.

Please explain to me while a modest 5-10% or something around there would have fucking thrown the whole country into a GREAT DEPRESSION. If the banks hadn't had CHEAP money to lend to everyone, they damn sure would have been MUCH more careful about who they lent it too. Those riskly investments you speak of WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED had the government raised interest rates. Instead, they LOWERED THEM which caused an even larger bubble.

This will be fucking hilarious.