Republican candidate Ron Paul should have your Democrat or Libertarian Vote

[Political_Man]

Originally Posted by JonNoH

PM is full of shit, he just pretends he's got it all figured out, it's easy to sway retards who listen for strong words and name calling as opposed to true facts and sources, he has a lot of practice in this... his name is like 50 bonus points. Just look at the people who come in here and support him without actually saying anything for themselves, basically, his entire fan base. You see he is under false pretenses that he can debate here, he even says he can beat the pros that are actually in the media! If thats not a case of big fish fever I dont know what is. Even funnier is he says he doesnt watch Fox yet repeats word for word everything they say, which is funny seens how they have 30% credibility.

and VIP has now joined the parrots because he finally got tired of going on offense against their bullshit.

Way to go pussy...

I'll let this post stand on it's own with no comment from me.

Originally Posted by Trizzle

alright alright <3

I told you to let me work.

[M4gikSt1ck]

Jewlie-annie wont get the nod, no fucking way. He might get it from the Neo Cons but there name is taste like shit in peoples mouths thanks to these blow hards we have in office now Thompson/Romney are the likely.

Ron Paul would make a great president if your a conservative, if your a big Govt Republican then jewlie-annie is your guy. Its real easy just follow the money and or voting record. No can touch Ron Paul for honest consistent voting for his beliefs. Hes civil libertarian/republican, How can anyone say he doesnt have a chance, just because you got big Corp cock in your mouth and the main stream isnt covering him doesnt mean shit. Check out the online polls, and even the straw polls he is either 1 or 2.

How can you deny this record.

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

So far I have heard anything of substance from any of the candidates except Ron Paul, cant say I agree 100% but its refreshing to see that someone actually knows what there talking about.

Political boy, next time you want to bring bullshit about Ron Paul, how about some facts against his position rather then your biased Neo Con Big Govt views. I can get that from just turning on FAUX NEWS. edit: Nice image you have as a sig file, have you read that the Military personal has given more money to Ron Paul then any other candidate....on both sides of the isle....Read it here

The issues, what is your take that contradicts Ron Pauls

Check out this non stop Ron Paul video page also, really good stuff
Most will probably fall into this category here
http://www.ronpaulnation.com/tv.html
http://www.ronpaulnation.com/tv.html#mr_smith

[rainmkr]

pwned

[Cornwalace]

I'm curious how many of you are actually planning to vote in general, much less the Republican primaries.. Whoever doesn't vote should have their post deleted honestly, but, that's a whole new monster. I just wonder who will actually help this guy try and win.

[rainmkr]

check out drudgereport.com today and look at the poll!

[M4gikSt1ck]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

I'm curious how many of you are actually planning to vote in general, much less the Republican primaries.. Whoever doesn't vote should have their post deleted honestly, but, that's a whole new monster. I just wonder who will actually help this guy try and win.

+1

Agreed, this is the most important thing you will ever do in your life, not just this poll but being a part of the political system which makes this country the great nation that it is. While I dont like the direction the Neo Cons preach and act upon. This isnt the first time this country has gone through some very turbulant times.

Just get off your ass and VOTE!!!

This is an interview with Ron Paul on FOX news no less after todays debate.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9Ay7sd0Jx80
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaFMi-O6AaE

[jabtay]

Originally Posted by JonNoH

PM is full of shit, he just pretends he's got it all figured out, it's easy to sway retards who listen for strong words and name calling

Hello...you are name calling and using strong words to persuade people

Originally Posted by JonNoH

so so far throughout this thread all Im hearing is the same shit I already addressed in my 2nd paragraph. God damnt people

^ strong words - post #9

Originally Posted by JonNoH

the motherfucker doesnt even know his own foreign policy.

^strong words, and name calling - post #12

Originally Posted by JonNoH

neo-con preacher Sean Hannity!

^ Name calling - post #54

Originally Posted by JonNoH

Way to go pussy...

^ name calling - post #77

Originally Posted by JonNoH

Im saying youve become a conservadousche

^ Name calling - post #79

All of this in just one thread...

[Jonnoh]

Originally Posted by jabtay

Hello...you are name calling and using strong words to persuade people
^ strong words - post #9

^strong words, and name calling - post #12


^ Name calling - post #54


^ name calling - post #77

^ Name calling - post #79

All of this in just one thread...

# 54 was truth labeling, not name calling
77 and 79 were required and overdue
I don't care about the rest

[Political_Man]

Originally Posted by M4gikSt1ck

Political boy, next time you want to bring bullshit about Ron Paul, how about some facts against his position rather then your biased Neo Con Big Govt views. I can get that from just turning on FAUX NEWS. edit: Nice image you have as a sig file, have you read that the Military personal has given more money to Ron Paul then any other candidate....on both sides of the isle....Read it here

The issues, what is your take that contradicts Ron Pauls

Mainly what I've said about Ron Paul is that he has no chance to win. None. And if you knew anything about politics you would know that even Ron Paul knows he doesn't have a chance. He's an issue oriented candidate who is attempting to change the GOP's direction on the issue of Iraq and the War on Terror.

Look he's got some nice libertarian stances on the budget and some things that really appeal to me. I'm sure Paul is even an honest man but in the end, he wants to surrender in Iraq and he wants my generation to turn a war over our kids that you don't even want to think about.

You want me to go after Paul's position on foreign policy? Search on TF for every post I've ever made because his position on foreign policy is the same as the general liberal position on foreign policy. You believe that the terrorists attacked us because we supposedly funded OBL (which both the CIA and OBL denies) then Ron Paul is the guy for you.

His position on Iraq and war in general is such a mess I don't even know where to begin. In fact I'm not going to waist my time on a guy polling at 3%. Nobody ever talks about the guy polling at 3% unless there is some agenda behind it. You want to oppose the war, fucking oppose the war. But don't try and sneaking it in the back door. No one is voting for this guy and if you are, congratulations your part of the 3%.

He's getting more media attention than he deserves because of his position on the war. If Ron Paul were pro-victory in Iraq you wouldn't even know this guys name.

[Jonnoh]

Originally Posted by Political_Man

Mainly what I've said about Ron Paul is that he has no chance to win. None. And if you knew anything about politics you would know that even Ron Paul knows he doesn't have a chance. He's an issue oriented candidate who is attempting to change the GOP's direction on the issue of Iraq and the War on Terror.

If anyone outside of the media radar has ever had a chance, the timing would be now. You just don't get it yet.

Originally Posted by Political_Man

Look he's got some nice libertarian stances on the budget and some things that really appeal to me. I'm sure Paul is even an honest man but in the end, he wants to surrender in Iraq and he wants my generation to turn a war over our kids that you don't even want to think about.

Im not even gonna touch that one

Originally Posted by Political_Man

You want me to go after Paul's position on foreign policy? Search on TF for every post I've ever made because his position on foreign policy is the same as the general liberal position on foreign policy. You believe that the terrorists attacked us because we supposedly funded OBL (which both the CIA and OBL denies) then Ron Paul is the guy for you.

hahahahaha, how about a non chicken hawk source for this denial. Also, stating that his fp is the same as the opposing sides fp makes him bad or dumb is not a good strategy.

Originally Posted by Political_Man

His position on Iraq and war in general is such a mess I don't even know where to begin. In fact I'm not going to waist my time on a guy polling at 3%. Nobody ever talks about the guy polling at 3% unless there is some agenda behind it. You want to oppose the war, fucking oppose the war. But don't try and sneaking it in the back door. No one is voting for this guy and if you are, congratulations your part of the 3%.

How is getting our asses out of there a mess? It's not! It would be a mess if you wanted to keep the war going as long as possible, then it would be a hell of a mess. Also, these bullshit polling numbers are really starting to piss me off. The republican candidate polls are all over the map PM, with in many cases Dr. Paul coming out the victor, for you to downplay that you are showing you're no better than any other propaganda boy out there right now downplaying the numbers and blaming Pauls wins on "hackers"... right.

Originally Posted by Political_Man

He's getting more media attention than he deserves because of his position on the war. If Ron Paul were pro-victory in Iraq you wouldn't even know this guys name.

He's getting attention because he is telling us how to fix our country and promising to do it. People like you are just part of the spin machine problem. I cant figure out whether or not you genuinely believe the crap coming out of your fingers or if this is all intentional bullshit on your part.

[rainmkr]

nice interview from yesterday:

http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/20...t-on-fox-news/

also

Ron Paul: The Internet's favorite candidate

ARLINGTON, Va.--Ron Paul is a Republican congressman and U.S. presidential hopeful who, in the usual shorthand of political journalists, is known as a "long shot" for the White House.

http://news.com.com/Ron+Paul+The+Int...-0-5&subj=news

[Political_Man]

Originally Posted by JonNoH

If anyone outside of the media radar has ever had a chance, the timing would be now. You just don't get it yet.

We'll see won't we...

hahahahaha, how about a non chicken hawk source for this denial. Also, stating that his fp is the same as the opposing sides fp makes him bad or dumb is not a good strategy.

You know it's no wonder you disagree with most people, you don't ever seem to understand what you read. All I'm saying is I'm not going to rehash over his position because I've done it already.

How is getting our asses out of there a mess? It's not! It would be a mess if you wanted to keep the war going as long as possible, then it would be a hell of a mess.

His understanding of the War Powers Act and Congressional War declaration powers is amateurish at best. You can have a valid point (which he doesn't) and still not know what the hell your talking about.

Also, these bullshit polling numbers are really starting to piss me off. The republican candidate polls are all over the map PM, with in many cases Dr. Paul coming out the victor, for you to downplay that you are showing you're no better than any other propaganda boy out there right now downplaying the numbers and blaming Pauls wins on "hackers"... right.

Who is blaming hackers?

He's getting attention because he is telling us how to fix our country and promising to do it. People like you are just part of the spin machine problem. I cant figure out whether or not you genuinely believe the crap coming out of your fingers or if this is all intentional bullshit on your part.

His poll numbers don't match up to the attention he is getting. If the reason you gave were valid his poll numbers wouldn't be so shitty. Hey maybe your right, maybe he'll catch on with all this extra press he's getting... God help us if he does.

[M4gikSt1ck]

Originally Posted by Political_Man

Mainly what I've said about Ron Paul is that he has no chance to win. None. And if you knew anything about politics you would know that even Ron Paul knows he doesn't have a chance. He's an issue oriented candidate who is attempting to change the GOP's direction on the issue of Iraq and the War on Terror.

Sounds good, but what has really changed in Govt in the last year to have the Iraq issue so out of control? Democratic congress which is proving to be useless and Rumsfeld left. Your are so off the mark here I cant believe you actually post this drivel. We could have won in Iraq years ago, this has been a political war from day one, its been about Oil and Israel not about the war on terror. This war has been fought from the white house instead of the military commanders on the ground, we have seen top US generals leaving (retiring) in protest by the dozens!!! This isnt about winning of losing in Iraq its about fighting an unconstitutional undeclared war. We went in there to remove Saddam and find any Weapons of mass destruction, we did that. What our objective now? We are spending billions on permanent bases there which will only perpetuate this fundamental Islamic extremism throughout the middle east. That what ALL the experts say, you are saying its some conspiracy? - wouldnt surprise me, when it suits you you scream foul ball. Typical Neo Con bullshit. The CORE republican base has always been for low taxes and small Govt, until now. You just keep telling yourself (And others) thats its been about Nation building and HUGE GOVT (spending, which translate to HIGH taxes)....LOL maybe the less informed believe you but even now its hard to ignore common sense.

Originally Posted by Political_Man

Look he's got some nice libertarian stances on the budget and some things that really appeal to me. I'm sure Paul is even an honest man but in the end, he wants to surrender in Iraq and he wants my generation to turn a war over our kids that you don't even want to think about.

lib·er·tar·i·an
1 : an advocate of the doctrine of free will
2 a : a person who upholds the principles of individual liberty especially of thought and action

Surrender in Iraq, you should be called Political_Boob, dude we did what we went there to do three years ago, define a new objective and lets get on with it. This hasn't been done, we are there to set up shop strictly for the Oil. WE, right now are nation building, while this country suffers. We need to nation build but we need to build OUR nation not some third world country. (You did see the bridge collapse in MN didnt you? and some of the reports that are coming out about how our whole infrastructure is out of date and failing) They have been fighting a religious war for centuries, this isn't going to change because we want them to. Fuck it, Americans are dying and its costing this country entirely to much, you want to talk about what we are giving to our kids how about a debt that every single American will have to pay 175k EACH to pay off and thats as of TODAY, and its not over yet. We live in a dual monarchy, This is about America not about right and left. The Neo Cons have had 6 years of unfettered control over every area of Govt, and they fucked up. Enough is enough, time to bring the troops home and left Iraq deal with its own bullshit political system. This is about American lives and Money both of which are to important to waste in the middle east.

Originally Posted by Political_Man

You want me to go after Paul's position on foreign policy? Search on TF for every post I've ever made because his position on foreign policy is the same as the general liberal position on foreign policy. You believe that the terrorists attacked us because we supposedly funded OBL (which both the CIA and OBL denies) then Ron Paul is the guy for you.

Ron Pauls foreign policy makes alot of sense, it follows the constitution and if you look at history it also works, look at Vietnam. He wants a strong defense, not this militarism we have now. Our military is spread so thin right now, and we owe literally billions of dollars to China, Every child born today is 10k in debt as soon as the get a Social security card, 50 fucking trillion dollar dude, you are out of your mind.

Originally Posted by Political_Man

His position on Iraq and war in general is such a mess I don't even know where to begin. In fact I'm not going to waist my time on a guy polling at 3%. Nobody ever talks about the guy polling at 3% unless there is some agenda behind it. You want to oppose the war, fucking oppose the war. But don't try and sneaking it in the back door. No one is voting for this guy and if you are, congratulations your part of the 3%.

The easy way out, I love it. Thankfully only morons like yourself believe that shit. We can have peaceful revolution of we can do it the hard way. The American people know there is something wrong and while the media controls what you see and read the internet can/will/has been a great equalizer in getting real information regarding some real issues. Maybe you like your information canned but I prefer to know the issues and make my own INFORMED decisions, thank you very much. I bet you have a Gucci purse too?

Media have little time, tolerance for ‘second-tier’ candidates

Originally Posted by Political_Man

He's getting more media attention than he deserves because of his position on the war. If Ron Paul were pro-victory in Iraq you wouldn't even know this guys name.

I doubt that, I like the sound of no personal income tax, no gun restrictions on legal gun ownership and I like small Govt and less Govt spending..... You know CONSERVATIVE
So this point doesnt hold up with me.

So this isnt the voting record of a true conservative republican?

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

Lets try this a different way, who would you vote for if we had elections tomorrow?

[Political_Man]

Originally Posted by M4gikSt1ck

Sounds good, but what has really changed in Govt in the last year to have the Iraq issue so out of control? Democratic congress which is proving to be useless and Rumsfeld left. Your are so off the mark here I cant believe you actually post this drivel. We could have won in Iraq years ago, this has been a political war from day one, its been about Oil and Israel not about the war on terror. This war has been fought from the white house instead of the military commanders on the ground, we have seen top US generals leaving (retiring) in protest by the dozens!!! This isnt about winning of losing in Iraq its about fighting an unconstitutional undeclared war.

If the war is unconstitutional then why doesn't Ron Paul, as a member of Congress, take the President to the Supreme Court and have them decide the Constitutionality of the war? It OK. You don't have to answer the question because we all, already know the answer.

Anti-war drivel

Congratulations, you successful repeated the anti-war drivel. Now return back for further instructions.

Ron Pauls foreign policy makes alot of sense, it follows the constitution and if you look at history it also works, look at Vietnam.
He wants a strong defense, not this militarism we have now. Our military is spread so thin right now, and we owe literally billions of dollars to China, Every child born today is 10k in debt as soon as the get a Social security card, 50 fucking trillion dollar dude, you are out of your mind.

The easy way out, I love it. Thankfully only morons like yourself believe that shit. We can have peaceful revolution of we can do it the hard way. The American people know there is something wrong and while the media controls what you see and read the internet can/will/has been a great equalizer in getting real information regarding some real issues. Maybe you like your information canned but I prefer to know the issues and make my own INFORMED decisions, thank you very much. I bet you have a Gucci purse too?

I tell you what. You show me a time in the history of these site were a candidate for any office has been debated openly who had only 3% of the vote. I'll respond to it

Media have little time, tolerance for ‘second-tier’ candidates

Your link makes my point for me...

Originally Posted by IN THE LINK PROVIDED BY M4gikSt1ck

The problem is that the press sees some of the lesser candidates as potentially shifting the debate.

Thanks for doing my leg work.

I doubt that, I like the sound of no personal income tax, no gun restrictions on legal gun ownership and I like small Govt and less Govt spending..... You know CONSERVATIVE
So this point doesnt hold up with me.

So this isnt the voting record of a true conservative republican?

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

What do you want from me? You want me to suck the guy's dick or something? I said, he's probably a nice man, he seems honest, there are things I like about him. BUT he's wrong about the war and he's wrong about the Patriot Act. And his foreign policy is retarded.

Look guy, this routine does not fool me. I've been watching politics a long time and I know how this works. Paul has done the "maverick" tour, he's done the Bill Schmuck show on HBO, he's done the Daily Show (which for the record I like). So save this bullshit for someone else. Ron Paul does not have a chance.

Lets try this a different way, who would you vote for if we had elections tomorrow?

But... there are no elections tomorrow. I want to see how the campaigns are run. So far I like the way Rudy is running his campaign, I like the way Thompson is running his campaign. There is a level of competence and smartness about the way they are doing things that I like. I like the way Mitt Romney is doing things. I think he's made some mistakes in his campaign but I could see him getting his campaign together.

On the left, I can't vote for Hillary and I don't think Obama is ready for prime time yet. He's learning, he's just not going to be ready this time around. The rest of the field doesn't do anything for me.


But things are early yet still. I could change my mind completely before this is over.


PS: I see the ability to run a Presidential campaign as an effective measurement of the candidate in question. That's why I can't answer your question at this point.

[jabtay]

I think I have figured it out. All the libs see that their party nominees suck ass. So they align themselves with the furthest leaning Republican they can find

[M4gikSt1ck]

We haven't declared war but we call it a war and on a tactic this all seems just fine to you doesn it, this mind set has no place in the mind of any rational American. Its Neo Con big Business big Govt pro immigration bullshit.

Tell me son, which part of this administration do you like the best, or that shows a real republican value in there actions. They have spent more then the Democrats, they promote a unfounded fear against a bunch of cave dwellers, when we didn't even fret this much over the Soviet Union and they had an actual military. Your argument doesn't wash, these Neo Cons say they are republican but they haven't done one thing that is from the core republican value system. They play off the ignorance of uneducated people, I guess that kind of classes you doesn't it.

Who would you vote for...?
Right, no one ever answers the question.

jewlie-annie is a joke, he runs on a security platform then doesn't even know what the 911 commission report says. That makes YOU feel safer?

McCain - Supports Amnesty, flip flops on almost every subject so far. The military doesnt even support him.

Romney - Flip flops on the Abortion which looks to me he just wants the power of the office not really any principled reasoning.

I would entertain another candidate but so far I haven't seen one with a strong and consistent voting record, because to me thats whats important. I don't care who throws the bigger party I want to know how they will be voting and if thats in my best interest. I cant believe you actually said you want to see how they run a campaign like its a biug deciding factor for you. Ron Paul's campaign has been growing by double digits monthly, has more money the McCain and we are just getting started, I mean if your looking at campaigns......

I would never vote for a Democrat, never have, never will. They promote socialism and more taxes - history has shown its never worked. If more taxes and more Govt entitlement programs actually worked with the decades of taxes and the multitude or programs we have been paying for we should be living in a Utopia by now, but instead matters just get worse.

you also never answered the Nation Building remark its pretty obvious that what is taking place. Our debt to China which is increasing daily, 14 permanent bases, one thats larger then the Vatican. Which is a talking point by Ron Paul but its also true. I didn't even mention that the US Dollar is also at a 30 year low right now because of all the money printing taking place. Something has to give, if the Dems get in power it will be taxes, we need a conservative Republican to cut spending.

can you answer my questions without bloviating?....

Bush admits that Iraq Had Nothing To Do With 9/11

It is early in the race, and I also have been following politics. I dont see anyone else worth my vote at this point. With Ron Paul, I know what I am getting. Thats important to me.

[jabtay]

Originally Posted by M4gikSt1ck

Romney - Flip flops on the Abortion which looks to me he just wants the power of the office not really any principled reasoning.

So far this is my favorite canidate. If thats the worse you can come up with, then he seems pretty good to me. I really dont care if he is Mormon, for the first time, we have a Black man (one people actually like), a woman, and a Mormon running. This is by far the most bizarre race yet Almost sounds like a bad joke...a black guy, a woman, and a mormon all walked into a bar.

I will have to say that I think I would vote for hilary before rudy...I just dont like him

[Kryptix]

Originally Posted by jabtay

So far this is my favorite canidate. If thats the worse you can come up with, then he seems pretty good to me. I really dont care if he is Mormon, for the first time, we have a Black man (one people actually like), a woman, and a Mormon running. This is by far the most bizarre race yet Almost sounds like a bad joke...a black guy, a woman, and a mormon all walked into a bar.

I will have to say that I think I would vote for hilary before rudy...I just dont like him

Romney has to be one of the most liberal of the Republicans. I thought you hated liberals? He supports gay rights. He is against abortion. Here is a good video. WHy do you support Romney?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI


Out of all the Republicans I think Ron Paul is the best choice. But I'm not voting for any Republicans. On the Democrat side I like Joe Biden. I think he has the most knowledge and experience out of all the Presidential candidates on both sides. He would make a great President.

[jabtay]

Originally Posted by Kryptix

Romney has to be one of the most liberal of the Republicans. I thought you hated liberals? He supports gay rights. He is against abortion. Here is a good video. WHy do you support Romney?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI


Out of all the Republicans I think Ron Paul is the best choice. But I'm not voting for any Republicans. On the Democrat side I like Joe Biden. I think he has the most knowledge and experience out of all the Presidential candidates on both sides. He would make a great President.

I am not a Neo-Con, I just play one on this board. I have no problem with homosexuals, shit give em rights. The abortion thing I can get over, but I do agree with 95% of everything else he stands for. Also, I did say I was keeping my eye on RP. I can guarantee you one thing, I will be out there voting when its time.

[M4gikSt1ck]

One of the most appealing things about Ron Paul is you dont need to do a bunch of mental gymnastics to make sense of what he is saying. He is not asking for me to trust him, he speaks with first hand knowledge of what is going on in Govt and he can point to specific instances as examples. He also has a strong background in finance and economics. His arguments cant be written off as false or empty when he talks about the war in Iraq, and this is what scares the Neo Cons. The republican base is also taking note to the actions of this administration. 28% approval rating for gwb, and even lower for the Dem controlled congress. Things arent as roses as they would like everyone to think.

This last debate in Iowa was very interesting, I noticed that Romney and jewlie-annie both used terms that Ron Paul has been using from the last three debates with "free market economy" So while its being played down in the main stream media the "front runners" are taking note of Ron Paul's success.

AND

The Declaration of Independence, Bill of rights, and the Constitution are all libertarian documents, so being a libertarian isn't a bad thing. Its had always played out to be bad because at the core, its means liberty and you cant control a true free society.

AND

If you dont think we live in a dual monarchy, why is it that News Corp. (FOX NEWS) just made a 20k donation to Billary's campaign

WASHINGTON - John Edwards criticized Democratic rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday for taking more than $20,000 in donations from News Corp. officials, arguing that the company's Fox News Channel has a right-wing bias and Democrats should avoid the company.