Study: In US, 90 percent of black children will be fed by food stamps

[perdition79]

Originally Posted by corey r.

3 kids on 34k is NOT middle class. That is living in the poor house. Not everyone has the motivation to do well in life.

Sure, I could reply, but these two did it for me:

Originally Posted by TNathe

exactly $34k w/ govt assistance prob equals $60k on your own

Originally Posted by Joe

If they don't have the motivation to do well, then we don't need to have the motivation to feed them.

Moldy sees the big picture on the proliferation of trans-generational grift:

Originally Posted by moldyhands

and as soon as all the 20 somethings on this board start getting those child tax credits, they're going to support them. people, overwhelmingly, vote for things that benefit them, regardless of what is right or wrong.

Thanks for the great post. Ethics don't mean shit when a little grift makes the difference between ramen noodles and steak.

[1997 GA16DE]

Welfare is not the root cause, though. The cause is no different from the childhood "Daddy, I want a puppy" ideal. Too many young people still think that having a REAL baby is no different from having a pet or having a baby DOLL. They think it'll be fun and satisfying to raise a child (or several children). For some people, it's about all they can do.

With our economy in the trash, a lot of people simply have nothing better to do. Out of work? I guess the only way to feel adequate is to create and nurse life, and it works. It's a distraction from whatever mess that person's life has become.

[perdition79]

Originally Posted by 1997 GA16DE

With our economy in the trash, a lot of people simply have nothing better to do. Out of work? I guess the only way to feel adequate is to create and nurse life, and it works. It's a distraction from whatever mess that person's life has become.

More big-picture truth. Man, this thread is really delivering. Our entire civilization is based upon distraction. (I won't even get started on sports arenas and what H.G. Wells had to say a century ago about the need for them. Basically, we're living the future he predicted during his time with the Fabian Society.) Our passions are diverted towards sports, media, and the acquisition of material wealth. As a society, if we cared as much about our people and communities as we do about all our distractions, our world would be a better place.

Of course, if all those comforting distractions were to be pulled quickly, we'd have chaos. Real change has to happen slowly, which is why I was pissed that Ford didn't win the St. Pete mayor's race yesterday. She wanted to give a middle finger to the Devil Rays. It would have meant one less distraction in our community.

[buck19]

Originally Posted by jchauncey

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[corey r.]

Originally Posted by Zealot

You would be surprised how well they live in that poor house

Originally Posted by TNathe

exactly $34k w/ govt assistance prob equals $60k on your own

I apologize if I read the orginal post wrong. It looks like he was refering to it as the total. 34k total, including gov assistance after taxes is not 60k "on your own".


Any nay sayers currently raising three children on their own? I have one child, and without getting into specifics, what I pay for her alone would put the majority of posters in this thread in the "poor house". Then again, a welfare child most likely does not live as well as mine does.

But to point out as Joe has, most on welfare do not know or want to do better for themselves or family.

[corey r.]

Originally Posted by perdition79

Breeding while destitute is an art form. For the 2009 tax year, the Earned Income Credit will allow for three qualifying children (instead of two), and will top out at $5657.

You seem to understand a bit about tax filings. According to irs.gov:

If the amount of your Child Tax Credit is greater than the amount of income tax you owe, you may be able to claim some or all of the difference as an “Additional” Child Tax Credit. The Additional Child Tax Credit may give you a refund even if you do not owe any tax. The total amount of the Child Tax Credit and any Additional Child Tax Credit cannot exceed the maximum of $1,000 for each qualifying child.

Where did you come up with $5657?

[perdition79]

Originally Posted by corey r.

You seem to understand a bit about tax filings. According to irs.gov:


Where did you come up with $5657?

Don't mess with the ninja master of lowlife tax preparation. Child Tax Credits go on line 51 of a Form 1040. Earned Income Credits go on line 64a of Form 1040. The former is $1,000 apiece and will only reduce your tax liability to zero, the latter follows the EIC table and is adjusted by your earned income (line 7 of Form 1040); it can be refunded even if you did not have an AGI high enough to necessitate filing.