Why I can’t take the 9/12 movement and the GOP seriously

[XYNaPSE]

Great opinion article on the teabaggers movement. Thought I would share and get some input.

Why I can’t take the 9/12 movement and the GOP seriously
I must confess I don’t posses the intellect needed to assess the actions and motivations behind Glenn Beck’s “9/12 Project”, a conflation of disparate conservative activists which culminated with a march on Washington, D.C. yesterday to protest…what exactly? Taxes? Spending? Health care reform? The creeping socialist/Nazi/Islamofascism policies of the Hussein X Obama Stalin administration? Ever since the Tea Party movement appeared on the national stage last spring, I’ve grappled with how to talk about it and how much seriousness it should actually be given because I feel like I must be missing something.

To start with, I’m puzzled by the embrace of the Boston tea parties, which in their proper historical context were understood to be protests against taxation without representation. The last time I looked (scoreboard!), the United States directly elects its congressional representatives, so pardon me if I think that undercuts the notion of these movements being analogues. Barack Obama is not King George.

The current tea baggers, er, partiers, are just anti-tax. And that’s ok! To me, this particular spasm of outrage seems a bit off, unless you think there must be some sort of diabolical tyranny worldview that motivates the desire to let marginal tax rates revert from 33 and 35 percent to 36 and 39 percent while also enacting quite possibly the largest middle class tax cut in history. In other words, if you’re going to make such a big stink, at least understand that you’re misappropriating history to do so.

But the bigger problem I have with this movement is its supposed focus on fiscal responsibility. Bruce Bartlett, a conservative whose bona fides should not be in doubt, has written several scathing pieces in recent months criticizing the tea party movement, and the GOP in general, for not grappling with the reasons they lost power. As Bartlett points out in the Daily Beast, there’s a certain hypocrisy that is pervasive among those who are having their come to Jesus moment now that a Democrat is back in the White House:

In my opinion, conservative activists, who seem to believe that the louder they shout the more correct their beliefs must be, are less angry about Obama’s policies than they are about having lost the White House in 2008. They are primarily Republican Party hacks trying to overturn the election results, not representatives of a true grassroots revolt against liberal policies. If that were the case they would have been out demonstrating against the Medicare drug benefit, the Sarbanes-Oxley bill, and all the pork-barrel spending that Bush refused to veto.

Read more here.

[jabtay]

you cant take it seriously because you read an article, or the because the president told you not to?

[XYNaPSE]

you cant take it seriously because you read an article, or the because the president told you not to?

It's because it's fake. False pretenses. There is no reasoning behind it. It's just a bunch of disgruntled Republicans. They're trying to invoke public outrage over misrepresentation and lies.

[blacksheep-1]

To start with, I’m puzzled by the embrace of the Boston tea parties, which in their proper historical context were understood to be protests against taxation without representation. The last time I looked (scoreboard!), the United States directly elects its congressional representatives, so pardon me if I think that undercuts the notion of these movements being analogues. Barack Obama is not King George.

OK, right there, the writer is an imbecile if he/she can't see the similarities, BTW, how many czars have we elected?

[TNathe]

Xynapse, you're

To start with, I’m puzzled by the embrace of the Boston tea parties, which in their proper historical context were understood to be protests against taxation without representation. The last time I looked (scoreboard!), the United States directly elects its congressional representatives, so pardon me if I think that undercuts the notion of these movements being analogues. Barack Obama is not King George.

no asshole, the elected members of Congress are NOT doing what we ask of them, THUS THE PROTESTING Nor does this explain the "Czars" that are NOT elected, yet drive the President to do what they wish.



The current tea baggers, er, partiers, are just anti-tax. And that’s ok! To me, this particular spasm of outrage seems a bit off, unless you think there must be some sort of diabolical tyranny worldview that motivates the desire to let marginal tax rates revert from 33 and 35 percent to 36 and 39 percent while also enacting quite possibly the largest middle class tax cut in history. In other words, if you’re going to make such a big stink, at least understand that you’re misappropriating history to do so

What does that explain exactly? That doesn't mention it is okay for us to raise our debt ceiling over 12 TRILLION dollars, or that it is okay to spend ourselves into such a deficit that THERE IS NO WAY OUT. How Mr. Xynapse to propose (or any of your douche hole talking heads) that we pay that kind of debt back? You think China, Russia, and the REST OF THE WORLD are calling for a new currency to trade with just for shit-n-giggles?

The rest of that article is fucking retarded, making it about "losing the White House"...dude, I can assure you, that is has NOTHING to do with "losing the White House". Now go sip some more of that kool-aid.

[XYNaPSE]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b97_1252943602
The Unauthorized 9.12 Teabagger Tour


These are the people who represent the Teabagger movement.

[blacksheep-1]

Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, these are two people that represent the socilaist movement, and oh, yeah, Jones

[XYNaPSE]

Xynapse, you're
no asshole, the elected members of Congress are NOT doing what we ask of them, THUS THE PROTESTING Nor does this explain the "Czars" that are NOT elected, yet drive the President to do what they wish.

What does that explain exactly? That doesn't mention it is okay for us to raise our debt ceiling over 12 TRILLION dollars, or that it is okay to spend ourselves into such a deficit that THERE IS NO WAY OUT. How Mr. Xynapse to propose (or any of your douche hole talking heads) that we pay that kind of debt back? You think China, Russia, and the REST OF THE WORLD are calling for a new currency to trade with just for shit-n-giggles?

The rest of that article is fucking retarded, making it about "losing the White House"...dude, I can assure you, that is has NOTHING to do with "losing the White House". Now go sip some more of that kool-aid.

No asshole? Taxation without representation was the Boston tea Party. There is no taxation without representation. Taxes are the lowest they've been. The middle class (99% of those people at the teabag fest) are about to get the biggest tax cuts they've ever received in their lives. So tell me, what is the comparison? What is the tea bagger protest about exactly? Lies and misinformation.

$12 trillion dollar debt eh? We are still under Bush's budget and we're also coming to the end of a global recession. China and Russia are talking about new global currencies to avoid future United States Greed caused recessions. They're still buying dollars and will continue to do so. What they're talking about won't happen for another 30 years at least. Next year we'll be under a different budget with different taxes. We'll have a different economy. You guys have been blaming the Democrats for everything under the sun and for what? Because they can't fix the world in 6 months? Because they're doing everything they can to save the economy? Because they're fighting the war on terrorism? All of these teabaggers are idiots.

[Shin180sx]

Blacksheep Jr.

[LuckyH]

It's because it's fake. False pretenses. There is no reasoning behind it. It's just a bunch of disgruntled Republicans. They're trying to invoke public outrage over misrepresentation and lies.

You do know there's both democrats and republicans that are disgruntled right? How can it be false pretenses when they are based on individual principles and not simply political affiliation?

[blacksheep-1]

You do know there's both democrats and republicans that are disgruntled right? How can it be false pretenses when they are based on individual principles and not simply political affiliation?

nailed!!!

because they're in denial

[Josh]

Taxation without representation / Legislation without representation

what's the difference?

[blacksheep-1]

Blacksheep Jr.

I gave that kid that shirt..

[XYNaPSE]

You do know there's both democrats and republicans that are disgruntled right? How can it be false pretenses when they are based on individual principles and not simply political affiliation?

It's all fake designed to fool the public for an outcry. The fools are falling for it. It is disgruntled conservative Republicans who started it. Look at the big picture. Glenn Beck was practically worshiping Bush and Cheney for 8 years and trash talking everyone else. Now he's trash talking Obama and Democrats.

Glenn Beck's fake crying photo shoot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9j_S...layer_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWKz...layer_embedded
"I'm a guy who cares an awful lot about my country." Yah right. He cares about ratings and special interests.

[dan]

Blacksheep Jr.

Ah, a proud future lawyer out of Florida State. Great.

[Shin180sx]

Ah, a proud future lawyer out of Florida State. Great.

Haha, I didn't even notice that.

As far as Beck himself goes, he literally called President Obama a racist with a deep-seated hatred for white people. Then, he claimed that Obama was training a secret negro army of brownshirt thugs who would come for whitey in his sleep.

These days, Beck makes all these weird, out-of-place allusions to "white culture" and "white rights" that have eerie white supremacist overtones. Throw in the fact that Glenn Beck willfully adopted, as an adult, a religious tradition that teaches that black people have dark skin because they have been cursed by god, and it really paints a full picture, don't it?

[blacksheep-1]

[QUOTE][ religious tradition that teaches that black people have dark skin because they have been cursed by god, and it really paints a full picture, don't it? /QUOTE]

huh? you had me interested until then

[XYNaPSE]

Haha, I didn't even notice that.

As far as Beck himself goes, he literally called President Obama a racist with a deep-seated hatred for white people. Then, he claimed that Obama was training a secret negro army of brownshirt thugs who would come for whitey in his sleep.

These days, Beck makes all these weird, out-of-place allusions to "white culture" and "white rights" that have eerie white supremacist overtones. Throw in the fact that Glenn Beck willfully adopted, as an adult, a religious tradition that teaches that black people have dark skin because they have been cursed by god, and it really paints a full picture, don't it?

Wow. I didn't even know that. It just gets nuttier and nuttier.

[Josh]

As far as Beck himself goes, he literally called President Obama a racist with a deep-seated hatred for white people. Then, he claimed that Obama was training a secret negro army of brownshirt thugs who would come for whitey in his sleep.

glenn beck is a fucktard, but i have a hard time believing he'd go kanye. link to transcript or video? otherwise i'm calling bs.

[Josh]

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/...ated-hatred-wh

shows how much i watch him.