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    AWB 2013 conference on now

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    Wow, this is enraging to listen to. Such close-minded ignorance.

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    The following firearms would be prohibited by name in the 2013 Diane Feinstein proposed assault weapons bill:

    Rifles

    All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47,AK47S, AK-74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, MHM90, MHM91, Rock River Arms LAR-47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK-47, VEPR, WASR-10 and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS;

    All AR types, including the following: AR-10, AR-15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15-T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR-70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R-15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR-15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles;

    Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1, Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2 Max 1, Max 2, AR 100 and AR 100C;

    Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstral FAL, LAR 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR and FS2000

    Feather Industries AT-9

    Galil Model AR and Model ARM

    Hi-Point Carbine; HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1 and HK USC

    Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU-16 and RFB, SIG AMT, SIG PE-57, Sig Sauer SG 500 and Sig Sauer SG 551

    Springfield Armory SAR-48

    Steyr AUG

    Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rifle M-14/20CF

    All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, ThompsonT1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1-C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C

    UMAREX UZI rifle, UZI mini carbine and UZI Model B Carbine

    Valmet M62S, M71S and M78

    Vector Arms USI Type

    Weaver Arms Nighthawk

    Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine

    Pistols

    All AK-47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK-47 pistol, HCR AK-47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK-47 pistol, Krinkov Pistol, Mini Draco AK-47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol

    All AR-15 types, including the following: American Spirit Ar-15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR-15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR-15 pistol

    Encom MP-9 and MP-45

    Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol

    Intratec AB-10, TEC-22 Scorpion, TEC-9 and TEC-DC9

    Kel-Tex PLR 16 pistol

    The following MAC types: MAC-10, MAC-11 Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol

    Military Armament Corp. INgram M-11, Velocity Arms VMAC

    Sig Saur P556 pistol

    Sites Spectre

    All Thompson, types including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5

    All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI

    Shotguns

    Franchi LAW-12 and SPAS 12

    All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP-01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K-030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K-040 Taktika; Streetsweeper, Striker 12.

    Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms

    All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms, including: TNW M2HB
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    This is a ban, as there are no transfers, so after a generation all grandfathered guns mustbe turned over to the police, or converted to non assault weapons.

    This also effects many competition guns (aka sporting), as they can have threaded barrels, and barrel shrouds.
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    So can some one explain, the idea of "grandfathering"? Do you have to change your current rifle or mags? Are the "Evil" parts, ok or do you have to update your weapons? Thanks Rafael
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovehondas View Post
    So can some one explain, the idea of "grandfathering"? Do you have to change your current rifle or mags? Are the "Evil" parts, ok or do you have to update your weapons? Thanks Rafael
    No changes are needed, nor do you need to turn anything in, which is why pre-ban guns and mags were worth more in states that still have an AWB.

    But these new proposal prohibit the transfer of grandfathered items, which means they have to be converted or turned over to the police on the owner's death. It is a work around so they can claim that they aren't taking any guns on the passage of the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PPGMD View Post
    No changes are needed, nor do you need to turn anything in, which is why pre-ban guns and mags were worth more in states that still have an AWB.

    But these new proposal prohibit the transfer of grandfathered items, which means they have to be converted or turned over to the police on the owner's death. It is a work around so they can claim that they aren't taking any guns on the passage of the law.
    And the only way you can keep them is to register them, and pay NFA tax I believe.
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    Yeah, but not 200, more like the AOW fee, right? And thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint View Post
    And the only way you can keep them is to register them, and pay NFA tax I believe.
    I didn't read that, but if they do move the assault weapons to the NFA there will be no fee registrations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PPGMD View Post
    This is a ban, as there are no transfers, so after a generation all grandfathered guns mustbe turned over to the police, or converted to non assault weapons.

    This also effects many competition guns (aka sporting), as they can have threaded barrels, and barrel shrouds.
    impossible -- xyn said under no circumstances would this be taking away any firearms.
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    They can go fuck themselves. I dont even see the Senate passing this, no fucking way in the house.

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    [QUftOTE=PPGMD;4236934]This is a ban, as there are no transfers, so after a generation all grandfathered guns mustbe turned over to the police, or converted to non assault weapons.

    This also effects many competition guns (aka sporting), as they can have threaded barrels, and barrel shrouds.[/QUOTE]

    If this actually passes y not transfer the guns into a trust like some people do for silencers? Trust never die right im sure it'd take some crazy wording but if the trust was set to be your descendents they would never truly transfer if it was set to go to specific person then it would I guess transfer. Think along the line of land and estate trusts used to avoid your kids paying taxes in heritance. Technically its still the trusts not theirs.

    Wont pass but just throwing just in case ideas out there.

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    Doesnt she put this up every year? She is just geting some extra exposure this year. There is not a chance in hell any of this passes. Even the dems in congress up for reelection wont touch it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdes View Post
    If this actually passes y not transfer the guns into a trust like some people do for silencers? Trust never die right im sure it'd take some crazy wording but if the trust was set to be your descendents they would never truly transfer if it was set to go to specific person then it would I guess transfer. Think along the line of land and estate trusts used to avoid your kids paying taxes in heritance. Technically its still the trusts not theirs.

    Wont pass but just throwing just in case ideas out there.
    Actually trusts do die. When the trustee dies, the trust transfers the assets to the beneficiaries. I lawyer can explain it better but only corporations can last from generation to generation.
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    lol @ Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol. Aren't these so rare that only collectors have them in safes? This whole list is retarded and we all know this has no chance of passing.

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