carrying handcuffs ?

[01yellowgt]

I was watching a show ( don't remember what ) but it had to do with guns . The guy had his CCW in whatever state he was in . He also carried handcuffs in case he had to detain someone till law enforcement arrived. i was wondering if any of you guys did this. I was also curious of the possibility of getting in trouble for a) carrying cuffs , which I don't think you can or B) cuffing someone and detaining them . Thoughts ?

[Gixxer]

According to a FL court decision, at common law, a private citizen could make an arrest without a warrant in certain specific circumstances: a private citizen does have the common law right to arrest a person who commits a felony in his presence, or to arrest a person where a felony has been committed, and where the arresting citizen has probable cause to believe, and does believe, the person arrested to be guilty. Even though there was time to obtain a warrant, a private citizen may make such an arrest and justify his failure to obtain a warrant by proving the person arrested was actually guilty of a felony.

Phoenix, 455 So. 2d at 1024 (citing Collins v.
State, 143 So.2d 700, 703 (Fla. 2d DCA), cert.
denied, 148 So.2d 280 (Fla. 1962)).

[TNathe]

is that what allows bounty hunters the right to persue and "arrest" someone?

[nocomply540]

is that what allows bounty hunters the right to persue and "arrest" someone?

I believe when the "suspect" signs the surety bond he gives the bailbondsman the power to arrest and enter any residence listed on the bond with out a warrant.

[BAMF]

I keep handcuffs in my nightstand drawer. They work well to restrain young women while I abuse them. Mmmm.


But outside, in the world, you don't want to carry handcuffs. You don't want the liability of a cuffed suspect in your care. You don't want to have to try and cuff someone. Its just a bad all-around idea.

[01yellowgt]

I keep handcuffs in my nightstand drawer. They work well to restrain young women while I abuse them. Mmmm.


But outside, in the world, you don't want to carry handcuffs. You don't want the liability of a cuffed suspect in your care. You don't want to have to try and cuff someone. Its just a bad all-around idea.

Kind of what I was thinking

[kabuki mono kid]

im pretty sure its illegal to carry the keys on you but i dont think its illegal to carry the actual cuffs

[PapiPaco]

I'm no LEO, but I'm thinking that you might want to be very careful when forcibly detaining someone. Probably not an issue if you tackle someone that's shooting the place up, but I'm not so sure about cuffing a shoplifter (for example.) There's probably a legal line, somewhere.

[BlitzK]

im pretty sure its illegal to carry the keys on you but i dont think its illegal to carry the actual cuffs

843.021 Unlawful possession of a concealed handcuff key.--

(1) As used in this section, the term:

(a) "In custody" means any time while a person has been placed in handcuffs by a law enforcement officer, regardless of whether such person is under formal arrest.

(b) "Handcuff key" means any key, tool, device, implement, or other thing used, designed, or intended to aid in unlocking or removing handcuffs.

(c) "Concealed handcuff key" means any handcuff key carried by a person in a manner that indicates an intent to prevent discovery of the key by a law enforcement officer, including, but not limited to, a handcuff key carried:

1. In a pocket of a piece of clothing of a person, and unconnected to any key ring;

2. On a necklace of a person;

3. On the body part of a person or on any item of clothing of such person, when the handcuff key is secured on the body part or item of clothing by use of tape, glue, line, or other material;

4. In or within any compartment, seam, fold, or other encasement within any item of clothing, belt, shoe, or jewelry of a person;

5. In or within any sock, hose, shoe, belt, undergarment, glove, hat, or similar item of clothing or accessory of a person;

6. By a person and disguised as jewelry or other object; or

7. In or within any body cavity of a person.

(2) Any person who possesses a concealed handcuff key commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3) It is a defense to a charge of violating this section that, immediately upon being placed in custody, the person in custody actually and effectively disclosed to the law enforcement officer that he or she was in possession of a concealed handcuff key.

(4)(a) It is a defense to a charge of violating this section that the person in custody and in possession of a concealed handcuff key is:

1. A federal, state, or local law enforcement officer, including a reserve or auxiliary officer, a licensed security officer, or a private investigator as defined in s. 493.6101; or

2. A professional bail bond agent, temporary bail bond agent, runner, or limited surety agent as defined in s. 648.25.

(b) However, the defense is not available to any officer, investigator, agent, or runner listed in this subsection if the officer, investigator, agent, or runner, immediately upon being placed in custody, fails to actually and effectively disclose possession of the concealed handcuff key.

History.--s. 1, ch. 2000-230.

[TNathe]

Ive had seen my neigbor down the road hold a person at gunpoint on more than one occasion. Mexicans (migrant workers) would come onto his propety to steal stuff and would get caught. Another time he held some people at gunpoint for trespassing on his land to go shrooming .

[kender]

Unless you have training on how to properly cuff someone you are asking for trouble. You also have to have the mindset to protect the cuffed person.... Can you turn off the hatred and disgust for this person if, for example, He just attacked a little girl in the mall, You and a crowd of people yell at him to stop, he comes at you in a manner allowing you to shoot him, you shoot at him and miss, he immediately stops and surrenders realizing death is no fun, you cuff him, the crowd wants to lynch him, now you have to fight the crowd. If you can't compartmentalize then leave the cuffs attached to your head board. You also may run into problems if you ever end up in court for a self defense shooting. You can bet that the prosecutor will bring up the fact that you had cuffs and could have detained the guy you shot instead of shooting them. As it is now they still try the "you could have winged them" bull shit. The more tools (handcuffs are just another tool) you have with you the more you are obligated to less than lethal use of force. If you really want to carry some means of detaining someone then look at some zip ties. Easy to slip in a pocket, you had them because you work on your car, and they are not obviously "handcuffs" so the prosecutor looks like he is grabbing at straws if he uses them as an excuse for why you didn't have to shoot the crack-head-rapist that you caught coming through your daughters window. All that aside, as stated above they are perfectly legal to carry and so are the keys. Just make sure you tell the cops that you have a/some handcuff keys on you should you ever get put in cuffs.

[nocomply540]

If you got them at gun point and they are compliant, toss em the cuffs. Have them put them on. Otherwise I'd wait till
you have someone else on scene to cover you.

[DocBallistic]

Is it illegal to carry and use them NO affording the person being cuffed has committed a felony.

1. Carrying is legal
2. Using is legal (in responce to a felony)
3. Improper use can Break a wrist or severly hurt someone
4. Properly Handcuffing someone takes practice and the knowledge of the use of certain handcuff styles

5. If youre arrested and you have a handcuff key on you, you just committed a crime.


I wouldnt carry HandCuffs on me, if you feel the need carry a set in your car. Keep the key on a keyring that the cops will take from you if arrested. Dont try and detain somene with the threat of cuffing. You must announce youre making a citizens arrest and that you will be handcuffing the person for your safety. Just just try and handcuff someone.

Get trained on the proper use of cuffs.

And Last Dont forget youre not a cop, youre not a hero, dont think someone who just committed a felony is going to comply with you!

If youre witnessing a forceable felony.. fucking shoot them if needed, or knock them the hell out....

[Clint]

Just keep some heavy zip ties, most people dont know how to break out of them and they are a lot less conspicuous.

[DocBallistic]

Just keep some heavy zip ties, most people dont know how to break out of them and they are a lot less conspicuous.

again proper use of... those can do more damage than cuffs. They make a special type of "zip tie" for cuffing people.

http://www.combatsportsupply.com/saf...lcuff10pk.aspx

we carried these in country, but ours were white. They have smoother edges and wont really cut into your skin. Too tight and you can cut off blood supply to hands. Remember they will be "sitting" on them pinching off blood flow.

[kender]

If you got them at gun point and they are compliant, toss em the cuffs. Have them put them on. Otherwise I'd wait till
you have someone else on scene to cover you.

There are 2, maybe 3, people that I trust to cover me so if anything I'll be the one doing the the covering but since I don't carry cuffs on me anymore the BG can suck on the ground until the cops show up.

[kender]

Is it illegal to carry and use them NO affording the person being cuffed has committed a felony.

1. Carrying is legal
2. Using is legal (in responce to a felony)
3. Improper use can Break a wrist or severly hurt someone
4. Properly Handcuffing someone takes practice and the knowledge of the use of certain handcuff styles

5. If youre arrested and you have a handcuff key on you, you just committed a crime.


I wouldnt carry HandCuffs on me, if you feel the need carry a set in your car. Keep the key on a keyring that the cops will take from you if arrested. Dont try and detain somene with the threat of cuffing. You must announce youre making a citizens arrest and that you will be handcuffing the person for your safety. Just just try and handcuff someone.

Get trained on the proper use of cuffs.

And Last Dont forget youre not a cop, youre not a hero, dont think someone who just committed a felony is going to comply with you!

If youre witnessing a forceable felony.. fucking shoot them if needed, or knock them the hell out....

I actually agree with you on this one Doc. You are correct in #5 that you did just commit a crime but it shoudl be mentioned that the statute nullifies the crime if you tell the cop immediately about the keys. So if you want to carry a key, go for it, just be damned sure to speak up the moment you are in custody. If you are not sure if you are in custody (because they haven't cuffed you yet) cover yourself and ask. The keys I carry are on my keyring which would be taken anyway and I have a keyper.... It's a cuff key on a duty belt keeper....something the cops use all the time and should immediately recognize. While I never intend on getting cuffed should it happen (even a false arrest) I'm the type to just go with it and handle myself in a civil manner. On scene when it goes down is not the time to fight it....... the cops will win and even if you turn out to be in the right the DA may want to prove a point and charge you with resisting arrest. Just go with it.

[DocBallistic]

If you got them at gun point and they are compliant, toss em the cuffs. Have them put them on. Otherwise I'd wait till
you have someone else on scene to cover you.

problem with this is that you CANNOT hold someone at gunpoint. You CANNOT use your Weapon as a means to control someone its a felony brandishing. If youre pulling a sidearm you better fucking use it or be prepared to have a set of silver bracelets slapped on you. (best way to learn how to use cuffs) lol

[BAMF]

problem with this is that you CANNOT hold someone at gunpoint. You CANNOT use your Weapon as a means to control someone its a felony brandishing. If youre pulling a sidearm you better fucking use it or be prepared to have a set of silver bracelets slapped on you. (best way to learn how to use cuffs) lol

Based on the letter of the law, you are 100% correct.

But thats not how its enforced.

[01yellowgt]

I never intended carrying a set I was just wondering the legality of what the guy did on tv