Per ATi: Things have changed..... - Page 2

**John** · 06-30-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by m0nk3y

I can't fathom paying over $60 for a video card.

If you're really looking for some realistic views, GO OUTSIDE. Maybe meet some real people

It may be scary since they don't have wings, manna and special powers, but you'll be alright.

uh this is the technology and gaming section... you might find more things to your liking if you don't go into forums that discuss things you're not into. And I cast level 6 silence on monk3y; m0nk3y cannot post for 30 seconds.

**m0nk3y** · 06-30-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by John

uh this is the technology and gaming section... you might find more things to your liking if you don't go into forums that discuss things you're not into. And I cast level 6 silence on monk3y; m0nk3y cannot post for 30 seconds.

opinions and jokes aren't allowed? sorry.

**Kirk** · 06-30-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by John

uh this is the technology and gaming section... you might find more things to your liking if you don't go into forums that discuss things you're not into. And I cast level 6 silence on monk3y; m0nk3y cannot post for 30 seconds.

damnnnn where did you get that spell at

Trizzle · 07-03-2008, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by m0nk3y

opinions and jokes aren't allowed? sorry.

don't feel bad, I thought it was funny too

Trizzle · 07-05-2008, 04:10 AM

So, with the release of the 4850 and the 4870, talk has been going around about the 280 killer already which is basically two 4870 cores on one card (like the 9800GX2).

info

Trizzle · 07-05-2008, 04:41 AM

Also, feeling the burn from ATi's release, nVidia dropped prices of the 280 by $100. You can get them on Newegg right now for a little over $500. There was even talk of several of the card manufacturers nearly biting the dust because they stocked up for high demand and didn't expect the ATi release to be so successful. The price change should be official on all of the 2xx cards by Monday.

**MianoSM** · 07-05-2008, 02:10 PM

Those 4850s and 4870s are amazing.

I hope nvidia is ready for competition again.

Trizzle · 07-19-2008, 01:26 AM

*bump*
I think ATi has nVidia crouched and crying in the corner right now. nVidia dropped the price of the 280 by $200 since I posted this thread and HardOCP just reviewed the 4870x2 in crossfire:
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...hlbnRodXNpYXN0

I debating about waiting until the 4870x2 comes out to get a new machine. With this big of a price drop, it seems like an ideal time to buy. (also, look at the power consumption chart

*/bump*

travisHAZE · 07-19-2008, 01:28 AM

is AMD making a comeback in ATi?
is Intel losing its lead with nVidia?

Trizzle · 07-19-2008, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by travisHAZE

is AMD making a comeback in ATi?
is Intel losing its lead with nVidia?

I think that the C2D/C2Q chips are still in the lead as far as performance and price goes but in the video card market ATi has simply decimated nVidia's plans for domination. ATi needed to do this....they really did and I'm glad they did. Competition = Good (and steep price drops

)

**MianoSM** · 07-19-2008, 01:40 AM

The current state of relations between Intel and nVidia are hurting at the moment.

Nvidia is saying: "Anything you can do, I can do better!"

Intel is saying: "Fuck you".

AMD is saying: "Mwahahaha, inner strife amongst the competition, and more R and D money from Ati's latest and greatest."

Ati is saying: "Fuck why are globbed up with AMD again?"

vertigo · 07-19-2008, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Trizzle

I think that the C2D/C2Q chips are still in the lead as far as performance and price goes but in the video card market ATi has simply decimated nVidia's plans for domination. ATi needed to do this....they really did and I'm glad they did. Competition = Good (and steep price drops

)

The AMD quad cores are crap, just like they were 4 months ago, just like they will be 4 months from now.

travisHAZE · 07-19-2008, 01:45 AM

i sold two phenom computers right as we started stocking them and the customers came back overly pleased with them

havent used one my self, but the two i sold the customers were happy with...

**MianoSM** · 07-19-2008, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by vertigo

The AMD quad cores are crap, just like they were 4 months ago, just like they will be 4 months from now.

If the 4850s and 4870s are only the beginning, then AMD should be rolling in the research and development money to get competitive.

At least those of us that used to be big fans of AMD are hoping.

Now that nvidia thinks that they can be a competitive processor maker, Intel is getting quite butt hurt about it, and skewing what used to be a strong alliance in the industry.

vertigo · 07-19-2008, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by travisHAZE

i sold two phenom computers right as we started stocking them and the customers came back overly pleased with them

havent used one my self, but the two i sold the customers were happy with...

Dumb people are easy to please. I do distributed parallel processing, and the quad core xeons beat the amd's in every situation (ive seen) with their inferior non-true quad core design

I do not particularly like Intel, however AMD is falling far behind.

travisHAZE · 07-19-2008, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by vertigo

Dumb people are easy to please.

true

Quote:

Originally Posted by vertigo

Dumb people are easy to please. I do distributed parallel processing, and the quad core xeons beat the amd's in every situation (ive seen) with their inferior non-true quad core design

I do not particularly like Intel, however AMD is falling far behind.

non-true quad core design?

vertigo · 07-19-2008, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by travisHAZE

non-true quad core design?

Intel quad cores are actually 2 dual cores packaged together, Where as AMD's is a "true" quad core. A performance hit is incurred when the 2 seperate dual-core cpus need to communicate with each other. However fast inter-thread communication is not practical on highly parallel processing so its kind of a moot point. Google is your friend.

travisHAZE · 07-19-2008, 02:11 AM

excuse me for not knowing this, but technically wouldn't two dual-core processors work better than 4-single core processors would? less communication?

i was made to believe that a "dual-core" processor was two silicon chips that communicate using L1 bands which technically makes it one processor, not two. so this one processor is operating at 2x what the rating is.

so then if u have two of these communicating at a FSB, wouldnt that be faster than 4 cores communicating at a FSB?

vertigo · 07-19-2008, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by travisHAZE

excuse me for not knowing this, but technically wouldn't two dual-core processors work better than 4-single core processors would? less communication?

i was made to believe that a "dual-core" processor was two silicon chips that communicate using L1 bands which technically makes it one processor, not two. so this one processor is operating at 2x what the rating is.

No its slower, because each pair of cores has its own L1 cache that the other core cant access. Also each pair shares main system memory bandwidth as well I believe.

travisHAZE · 07-19-2008, 02:15 AM

ahh ok

so then these new home motherboards that are coming out that support two separate processors, these should truly be faster than a dual-core computer then?

(edit talking about if u have 2 single core processors in 2 separate socket slots vs. a dual core in 1 socket slot

07-19-2008, 02:15 AM	#40 (permalink)
travisHAZE Registered User	ahh ok so then these new home motherboards that are coming out that support two separate processors, these should truly be faster than a dual-core computer then? (edit talking about if u have 2 single core processors in 2 separate socket slots vs. a dual core in 1 socket slot Last edited by travisHAZE : 07-19-2008 at 02:28 AM.

07-05-2008, 04:10 AM	#25 (permalink)
Trizzle Tripw0l @ work	So, with the release of the 4850 and the 4870, talk has been going around about the 280 killer already which is basically two 4870 cores on one card (like the 9800GX2). info

07-05-2008, 04:41 AM	#26 (permalink)
Trizzle Tripw0l @ work	Also, feeling the burn from ATi's release, nVidia dropped prices of the 280 by $100. You can get them on Newegg right now for a little over $500. There was even talk of several of the card manufacturers nearly biting the dust because they stocked up for high demand and didn't expect the ATi release to be so successful. The price change should be official on all of the 2xx cards by Monday.

07-05-2008, 02:10 PM	#27 (permalink)
MianoSM Custom User Title	Those 4850s and 4870s are amazing. I hope nvidia is ready for competition again.

07-19-2008, 01:26 AM	#28 (permalink)
Trizzle Tripw0l @ work	bump I think ATi has nVidia crouched and crying in the corner right now. nVidia dropped the price of the 280 by $200 since I posted this thread and HardOCP just reviewed the 4870x2 in crossfire: http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...hlbnRodXNpYXN0 I debating about waiting until the 4870x2 comes out to get a new machine. With this big of a price drop, it seems like an ideal time to buy. (also, look at the power consumption chart /bump

07-19-2008, 01:28 AM	#29 (permalink)
travisHAZE Registered User	is AMD making a comeback in ATi? is Intel losing its lead with nVidia?

07-19-2008, 01:40 AM	#31 (permalink)
MianoSM Custom User Title	The current state of relations between Intel and nVidia are hurting at the moment. Nvidia is saying: "Anything you can do, I can do better!" Intel is saying: "Fuck you". AMD is saying: "Mwahahaha, inner strife amongst the competition, and more R and D money from Ati's latest and greatest." Ati is saying: "Fuck why are globbed up with AMD again?"

07-19-2008, 01:45 AM	#33 (permalink)
travisHAZE Registered User	i sold two phenom computers right as we started stocking them and the customers came back overly pleased with them havent used one my self, but the two i sold the customers were happy with...

07-19-2008, 02:11 AM	#38 (permalink)
travisHAZE Registered User	excuse me for not knowing this, but technically wouldn't two dual-core processors work better than 4-single core processors would? less communication? i was made to believe that a "dual-core" processor was two silicon chips that communicate using L1 bands which technically makes it one processor, not two. so this one processor is operating at 2x what the rating is. so then if u have two of these communicating at a FSB, wouldnt that be faster than 4 cores communicating at a FSB?